I *really* don’t think they’ll mention Russia at all, as 1) this was written and filmed way before the war; 2) doing so would quickly make the series dated.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"
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I’m cautiously optimistic. Let’s hope they can continue the momentum through the season.
Must be an American thing we certainly dont consider it one in Ireland. But we are also famously fucking foul mouthed.
I don’t get it. Why is STP such a good series while STD sucks more with every season the bring out? I mean sure, we are getting a lot of TNG/24th century Trek nostalgia and Stewart is still an amazing actor. But thats not all. Picard got the better screenplay, better dialogue and overall superior cinematic feeling over Disco.
I had some issues with season one which mainly derived from the fact that Picards behavior was off sometimes. I guess that was an conscious decision by Patrick Stewart to give his character a new edge. Season 2 Picard behaves much more like the character we’ve known for years and that makes
me really happy. Let’s hope it stays like this…
I had some issues with season one which mainly derived from the fact that Picards behavior was off sometimes. I guess that was an conscious decision by Patrick Stewart to give his character a new edge. Season 2 Picard behaves much more like the character we’ve known for years and that makes
me really happy. Let’s hope it stays like this…
No, no, it's not an American thing at all. Damn wouldn't raise an eyebrow in most quarters anywhere.
I still love that O’Brien could yell “Oh bollocks” because it’s not a thing in America, but the BBC cut it.
The profanity debate has been done to death. When Star Trek is not restricted by network TV censorship they’ve tended to push language a bit more.
There's a very old thought experiment about what would happen if you went back in time and killed Hitler when he was a baby. Everyone's heard some variant of that. Sure, you probably prevent World War II in the 1940s. But you probably would have gotten another World War in the 1950s, probably between the US and some allies and the Soviet Union and some allies (maybe a communist Germany that never Nazified?). And because of ongoing technological development that was happening anyway, it would have been a nuclear World War. The butterfly effect creates an unrecognizable history with one change. Our world as we know it, doesn't exist after that alternate World War, because the post-1945 international system was build entirely in response to our World War II.
So in STP, if Q changed something in 2024 that prevented somebody from being exactly where they needed to be in the 2050s, it would be the same thing as killing Hitler. There would be wars, but not the war that lead to the post-World War III "United Earth" order. And that shared global experience with 600 million dead and global ecological devastation was the pre-requisite to pretty much everything we saw in Enterprise (particularly the proto-Federation stuff in Season 4). It's actually the exact same butterfly effect, just in a different century.
I'll mention again as I did in my post in the first few pages - the Eradication Day arena was clearly designed to intentionally invoke the Q's court room in All Good Things and Encounter at Farpoint. It has a circular middle area for the "accused". It has bleachers flanked on the right and left filled with cheering spectators (disheveled too) crying for violence and death. It has red flags draped. It's an intentional echo. But Q's court was an eastern court in the post Atomic Horror, and this was a fascist global event in the present.
I'm not sure if the Bell Riots will play a big role. I think they'll be mentioned, but I don't think that's the divergence point and people setting themselves up for that are likely to be disappointed. I think it's going to be something that upsets the 21st century balance of power. Maybe that's what Q is doing in the teaser - he is handing over future technology that allows one country or one power to change the global order, thus preventing World War III as the Prime timeline knows it, but leading to wars of global conquest on the back of that technology. Or something like that. It's going to be something new that he, specifically, does.
Raffi's hair and shoulders make her look Klingon 
Kaplan freighters are now fighters? Perhaps they're carrying bombs...
Kaplan freighters are now fighters? Perhaps they're carrying bombs...
The queen is handcuffed on the display
Just finished watching episode 2. I enjoyed it and it was a good new take on the dystopian Trek future. Only real complaints were the lack of evil twin cameos as this would have been the perfect opportunity (so close to getting Sisko back lol) and them mentioning the Enterprise having to Spock to do the calculations and not even bothering as ask if Seven could manage it because let’s face it, Voyager Seven was smart enough. I did like her test when she woke up though, that felt like The Seven of old.
Very enjoyable. Assuming they wrap up the cliffhanger in the opening minutes of next week’s episode rather than dragging it out for 50 minutes and ending the episode with the slingshot effect, that means we’ll already hit the main season arc after just two and a bit episodes, much better than the dragging prologue from season one.
Great characterisations of the evil counterparts and it was great watching a few characters acclimatise to their surroundings. The scene of President Hansen waking up was cleverly shot to cover up the absence of her implants (shame this was spoiled in the trailers). Much better characterisation for Jurati this week - still kooky but with flashes of the intelligence that was infodumped in season one.
I’m curious as to how the Borg Queen will factor into the rest of the season after they’ve travelled to 2024. Will she be dead when there is no more use for the character, or just kept in a drawer when they’ve landed? Is she manipulating Jurati directly or just exploiting her existing insecurities? What did “there’s a splinter in her flesh” mean? It was said a couple of times but had the vibe of arc words from Doctor Who/Buffy.
Great characterisations of the evil counterparts and it was great watching a few characters acclimatise to their surroundings. The scene of President Hansen waking up was cleverly shot to cover up the absence of her implants (shame this was spoiled in the trailers). Much better characterisation for Jurati this week - still kooky but with flashes of the intelligence that was infodumped in season one.
I’m curious as to how the Borg Queen will factor into the rest of the season after they’ve travelled to 2024. Will she be dead when there is no more use for the character, or just kept in a drawer when they’ve landed? Is she manipulating Jurati directly or just exploiting her existing insecurities? What did “there’s a splinter in her flesh” mean? It was said a couple of times but had the vibe of arc words from Doctor Who/Buffy.
seven is very smart, but I don’t think she could do the kind of heavy mental calculations a Vulcan can. Not without her implants, anyway.
Speaking if implants, the lack of them proves that our characters were not a tuallg moved back in time 24 hours and in an alternate timeline: only their consciousness was, and is now inhabiting the bodies of their local counterparts. Interestingly enough, Q pointed out that Picard has an android body even in this reality.
Regarding the famous killing hitler problem, this season might be set up as a reverse City on the Edge of Forever, with Picard having to *save* the dictator that enables WWIII. Funnily enough, this would mean that Picard will be responsible of WWIII, just like Kirk is for USA’s involvement in WWII.
I’m surprised that Soji was nowhere to be seen…unless she saves our crew in the next episode, I take she is no longer a regular?
Well, that's just another reason why we love Laris....
Are we supposed to believe it's been the same Queen from FC, VOY episodes and now? Maybe this time they decided keeping the original arms of whoever that is was the better choice.
You or I could resemble a young Alice Krige with enough makeup
Looking back over Q's speech, I don't think there is a simple time fix to the changes. If we take him seriously, the problem is in Picard or, more symbolically, in humanity. Picard will fail to wash his hands of what has been done, but can only seek forgiveness.
Especially if they rejigger the distant past history in Trek to better match the real world, by 2024 Russia's façade would have fallen and made clear that they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
I thought the washing hands thing was about if Picard chose to stay in that timeline and make amends
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