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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"

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I don't think it was an issue of not being able to get Krige, she played the queen in season 2 of Lower Decks. Funnily enough, I think the new actress actually sounds more like Krige's queen than Krige did in Lower Decks.
A big reason for that is because the Queen wasn't exactly acting "in character" in her Lower Decks appearance, but this new actress was emulating Krige's initial performance much more closely.
 
Know what would have been better in my opinion? Instead of LA in 2224, go back to Terra Prime in 2154.. And use that as a turning point.. Get more of that era.. Owell :)
 
Know what would have been better in my opinion? Instead of LA in 2224, go back to Terra Prime in 2154.. And use that as a turning point.. Get more of that era.. Owell :)

It's 2024 LA. The exact year and place of The Bell Riots. Someone at The Avocado posited that Q changed history so that Sisko somehow never replaced the real Gabriel Bell after Bell was killed.
 
I'm reminded of a scene in Enterprise, in Season 4 I think. More or less, Soval is confronted with the fact that the Vulcans are some level are frightened of humanity because they remind them of themselves (and the Romulans), but faster. It took ~2000 years for Vulcans and Romulans to recover from the Vulcan nuclear wars. It took humanity 100. As Soval put it "what might you do in a century hence?" He and the Vulcans were right to be concerned. On the wrong path, in three centuries hence, Humanity would have conquered or annihilated all the great powers of the galaxy save one.
The Forge:
SOVAL: We don't know what to do about humans. Of all the species we've made contact with, yours is the only one we can't define. You have the arrogance of Andorians, the stubborn pride of Tellarites. One moment, you're as driven by your emotions as Klingons, and the next, you confound us by suddenly embracing logic.
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SOVAL: We had our wars, Admiral, just as humans did. Our planet was devastated, our civilisation nearly destroyed. Logic saved us. But it took almost fifteen hundred years for us to rebuild our world and travel to the stars. You humans did the same in less than a century. There are those on the High Command who wonder what humans would achieve in the century to come, and they don't like the answer.
FORREST: We're not the Klingons. We only want to be your partners. To do what the nations of Earth have learned to do. To work together in common cause.

In the alternate timeline, he probably said: We're not the Klingons. WE'RE MUCH WORSE!!!! :devil: :evil: :scream:
 
A big reason for that is because the Queen wasn't exactly acting "in character" in her Lower Decks appearance, but this new actress was emulating Krige's initial performance much more closely.
True, but Krige's voice has noticeably aged since her last live action performance in Endgame. I'm not sure she could pull off reprising The Queen in live action, the recast works well here.
 
Loved it -- what a fangasm (in the best possible way). General Sisko, Sarek beheaded in front of his son, "Yesterday's Enterprise"... Can't wait for next week!
 
What would happen if the blue thing Q gives Soong is a piece of dilithium? Couple that with the knowledge of aliens being on earth, those combined would make for dangerous combination. This season has already shown a lot of call backs. What happens if Soong has Zefram Cochrane working for him and building his warp ship?
 
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You got that from about 7 or 8 minutes of screen time?
Must be interesting to live in that hateful little world of yours.
:crazy:

Uh, yeah. 7-8 minutes of screentime is MORE than enough to tell that they got the character completely and utterly wrong. How much time do YOU need?
 
Unless my ears deceived me (entirely possible!), we got a small easter-egg reference to 12 Monkeys, Terry Matalas's other time-travel based show! :D
 
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Ramjet agrees with me.
 
Apologies if someone has already put this theory forward.

Q explicitly states that in the past, we were killing our planet before working out how not to and going on to be the harmonious Federation we all know.

He says that in this timeline we didn't solve it (cutting to the planetary shield which would seem to be not for defence from aliens but in place of the Ozone layer/atmosphere).

The Bell Riots can tie in here with them bringing social justice to the foreground and the combination being what allows UE to develop and so we save the planet etc etc

Possibly there is something with the Europa mission that if not solved causes the environmental destruction?

The attitudes to the Borg in Ep 1 show that humanity hasn't really gotten over its inherent biases and prejudice and so Q calls an audible, decides humanity hasn't passed the test (in spite of the positive start shown in 2024) and so screw them all, here is was the world would look like.

My guess is that Q putting the Fed on a collision course with the Borg originally was meant to be to show whether humanity could reconcile its differences with them when they one day came looking for help in the way they seemingly had with formerly opposed nations on Earth.

So the road not taken is that rather than seek unity and to improve the world, the world's leaders push back, we don't solve climate change, wars continue until we discover warp, vulcans show up, world unites against the "pointy earred bastard(s)" and we go on to subjugate the galaxy.
 
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