Exactly. I also couldn't help but notice the use of the word "Confederates." It was classic Trek allegory and I was "here for it," as the kids say.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"
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Exactly. I also couldn't help but notice the use of the word "Confederates." It was classic Trek allegory and I was "here for it," as the kids say.
The crazy part of this show is that Patrick specifically ruled out a pandemic storyline because that would hit way too close to home and be uncomfortable for viewers: Patrick Stewart Does Not Want Pandemic Storyline For ‘Star Trek: Picard’ Season 2 – TrekMovie.com
So they decide to go do a story about a warmongering authoritarian regime that literally premieres at the same time a warmongering authoritarian regime unleashes a war and threatens our planet. I know no one at all could possibly predicted or have intended that, but... wow... Sure there aren't any precognitive people on the writing staff?
Unless things have changed since DS9, there is no Terran Empire in the MU any longer.
Plus it wouldn't work within the context of the story, since we know the POD for the Terran Empire is way before 2024.
I'll rate this one a 10. If I didn't have to leave for work soon, I'd watch it again. I understand that last episode was the set-up, but I wish this was the season premiere.
Putin probably isn’t a Star Trek fan.
Honestly I think avoiding a pandemic story was smart. For one, it's not actually over, as much as people might wish it were, so it would kind have a "too soon" feel to it, and for me at least, I would constantly be comparing things to the real world all the time.
Warmongering authoritarian regimes are, sadly, quite timeless as we are once again seeing. As an American, what I appreciate about this "what if" look at the Federation is that it shows the stakes of the social choices that are currently in front of us, although I doubt many of the people who need to see it will watch, haha...
Like having an Intelligent Trump for President.
In our present, those two words are completely incompatible.
No, but he might soon crib Picard's "World Razer" speech. A peaceful Europe is a Russian Europe?Putin probably isn’t a Star Trek fan.
Like that'd stop them. It'd be an alternate timeline anyways if Q's involved.
This was a very entertaining hour of TV. Very exciting, and I enjoyed a lot of the characterization. Q seemed delightfully unhinged and I'm curious where they're going to take it. Q was always able to be a good foil for JLP and this was very evident here. It's hard to comment on the grand design of this because it isn't apparent yet. I am nervous that there will be big letdown as so often happens but the setup so far is very fun.
They dystopia was a really "good" one. I think that Trek often employs the "evil/mirror universe version of characters are just sex crazed maniacs" trope too often and this was not that at all. Just a brutal look at what a fascist, cruel version of the UFP would be. It had a weight that is lacking in other Trek instances and I appreciated it.
I saw some criticisms upthread about how there was a lot of info dump in this episode. I mean...maybe...but in each instance of info dumb we were shown things that established the wrongness of the timeline and the stakes involved. The Rios scene might seem unnecessary but there were shots of what were obviously WMD being used on Vulcan. A big deal! That was my biggest takeaway from the scene. JLP was a murderer in the past of this timeline, but the Confed was still actively engaged in active slaughter of those who are normally allies. Same thing with Elnor: he went from being lauded as the first fully Roman cadet last episode, and the inverse of that is him being hunted like an animal. The juxtaposition was effective and I didn't think it was wasted time.
I also liked how the Borg Queen was handled too. Even in a cage she was able to project menace and essentially stare into JLP and Seven's souls, so to speak. The "strange bedfellows" part of this is intriguing too, the Queen needs the crew and the crew needs the Queen and that is good drama for now.
There were a lot of great small touches in the episode. I honestly think my favorite was in President Seven's speech...Jeri Ryan did a great job of twitching her face and hesitating on the word "resistance" that immediately carried the weight and history of that word in the franchise and in that moment you can tell she realized that killing the Borg Queen was a morally abhorrent act, even if she wanted to do it. This is better characterization for Seven than last season. So much was communicated with just one word! I loved it.
The reprise of the FC Borg motif in a soft solo string instrument to signal the Queen brought low in this timeline was also very cool for me.
A nit to pick: JLP has his history wrong: it was not Kirk's Enterprise that slingshot around the sun, but the stolen BoP. [Edited to add: I am wrong about this and ashamed in my lapse of TOS knowledge]
I think it will be easier to judge this episode when the season is over but as a piece of setup, whose job it is to establish stakes and set the board for what's to come, and as a single episode of a television show it was very good. Tightly paced, exciting, and very watchable.
rewatch the original series. The TOS Enterprise does the slingshot time travel twice (edit) And you already caught that lol)
The magistrate was played by Isa Briones‘s (Soji) father.
Re-read that paragraph. They corrected themselves
And apparently its because of Dukat, they should have given that kill to sisko come on the alt Sisko desersvese the shot at Dukat
Also i noticed that cameo tease *sigh* if only
A step up to a 9 this week.
Wow. I felt genuinely breathless at times trying to keep up with the shout-outs to the previous timeline, and how brutal the Prime Timeline had become. I wonder what Q has done to make it happen like that.
Picard feeling more worried about Q than he had in the past was an interesting take on his character, though.
Wow. I felt genuinely breathless at times trying to keep up with the shout-outs to the previous timeline, and how brutal the Prime Timeline had become. I wonder what Q has done to make it happen like that.
Picard feeling more worried about Q than he had in the past was an interesting take on his character, though.
Somthing might be wrong with either Q or maybe even The Q
This season is very interesting. Martok, Dukat, Sisko refs for the win! Honesty not thrilled with the concept of a Soong seemingly being the lynchpin of all of this dystopia. I’m getting a little tired of the Soongs. Still, love what they’re doing with Q, Seven and Jurati. And yeah, pretty sure Agnes is the Borg Queen with the mask on the Stargazer. The mask is definitely suggesting it’s someone we know and with her setup this season, it makes a ton of sense.
9/10.
9/10.
So that's a fair point. You're right that I'm just assuming based on his coolness toward her, even when saying things like "my love," but also in the way he reacted to the deception.
I think the Music and the 'Look up' from Episode 1 was Q
but the rest was real
The Queen on the Stargazer called him Picard, but the Queen here called him Locutus.
but the rest was real
The Queen on the Stargazer called him Picard, but the Queen here called him Locutus.
Exactly
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