Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"

I wonder if the Ross class is named after a certain admiral from DS9?

 

It's named for Mary Golda Ross.

 

Oh. Sorry, my bad.

 

No worries, I thought the same initially.

 

Really? Who? Beverly? Vash? Nella? Lily?

I recall Q bristled at the sight of Guinan in Q, Who?

I stand corrected.

I was trying to be funny, relax.

And I'm sure the unfolding adventure will provide the opportunity to improve their relationship. However, as things stood at the beginning of the episode. They're both on separate tracks. Raffi is back in Starfleet and Seven is back with these Fenris Rangers, who may or may not be on friendly terms with Starfleet.

I thought he was.

And whose job would it be to rectify that on a starship?

They got thrown around by the anomaly. Hope everyone's okay.

I'm not talking about how Picard perceived his own memories. I'm talking about the way they're presented to us. With him looking up, and then the zoom out into deep space. All very overly "cinematic".

It seemed to work for Discovery when it first premiered, with both the "Vulcan Hello" and "Battle of the Binary Stars" being available for viewing.

 

I have a suspicion it is the alternate universe Borg, since they specifically asked for "Picard" and not "Locutus"

 

Pretty sure this was the first analysis

 

...Or astronomy, even...

I doubt their however-many-days long fling before the host died was enough to qualify.

"One of" can be a bit vague: maybe it just used to be a lot less common for Vulcans to join than it is by the 24th/25th centuries.

That's a far far cry from 24th century Earth.

Maybe he has and just reiterated that information when he left last time. Personally I'll always consider the Q story in the IDW Kelvin comics canon because it's awesome.

But not fully Romulan, a Romulan citizen or raised Romulan.

What in the world makes you think she killed them? They were tied up.

Or just had a legendary captaincy. Kirk, Pike, Archer, Janeway, Nog: naming ships after great captains is a Starfleet tradition.

Specifically: the Ross class.

I...really don't see this. How? Because his mom encouraged him to look to the stars? Then any one who has ever looked dreamily into space is "destined for greatness". Like Picard's nephew...

I don't remember him saying any such thing.

 

For whatever it's worth, in Shatner's Kirk novel The Return, he (or, rather, his ghost writers, Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens) established that Sulu served three terms as President of the United Federation of Planets. (The "Shatnerverse" novels were only ever in continuity with one-another, not with the "Novel Continuity" that evolved after 2001.)

But I'd also suggest that it could have just been named after him because of his time as captain of the Excelsior and his service aboard the Enterprise.

I think Spock was just speaking metaphorically.

I think the whole point of that episode was that Picard was not destined for greatness, that he was only able to achieve greatness by taking risks and through great effort.

Except Kirk never once talks about destiny. What he does say is that Picard shouldn't let Starfleet promote him, because "while you're in that chair, you can make a difference."

I mean, he and Laris have clearly been building to this for at least a year and a half, and Picard ruined things with Vash, Nella, Lilly, and Anij all in way less time than that.

Yeah, that never made sense, even in that episode.

Rios, and I'm sure he will.

You're... upset that a work of art is being artistic?

Sure, when you're trying to entice the audience to try a new thing, that makes sense. But this is S2 of a show starring Sir Patrick Stewart -- we're already all enticed.

I'm inclined to disregard that line. It doesn't even make sense. Why would Vulcans be significantly less likely to serve in the military force of the interstellar union they co-founded? That would be like Massachusetts not sending anyone to join the U.S. Navy after ratifying the Constitution.

Yeah. Nothing about that sequence was about "destiny." It was about explaining both why Picard has a lifelong fear of emotional intimacy and why Picard fell in love with the stars; the two are intimately interconnected in his psyche, which is why he used his career as an excuse even though we've seen plenty of successful Starfleet officers and commanders maintain marriages and partnerships.

 

Or the definitely not a military exploratory force...

 

The Vulcan sense of smell, is so acute, they can't tolerate working with anyother species.

 

Sorry but no. The Ferengi wasn't a member of the Federation or a member of Starfleet so they were respecting the laws of that society that person was from. Which yes that they do, but direct attacks against Federation citizens or Starfleet vessels is usually not treated so lightly. For example they aren't going to just let a Borg assimilate, because that's their culture, or they aren't going to just let a Klingon ship destroy them because that's their culture.

If Kurn, for example had killed, say Wesley, its possible that the Federation would hand him over to his government for their dispensing of judgment. But Worf is a Federation citizen and a member of Starfleet. So now he has to abide by teh laws of the Federation and the rules of conduct of Starfleet.

 

I wonder if the Southerland class of ship is suppose to be the same exact ship that Data once commanded,. I know it would be a older ship but I think Starfleet ships can last for a good 30 years or so before needing to be retired from service

 

I agree with the speculations… except… what if the Borg queen is Beverly Crusher?

 

Easy: They don't let Borg assimilate, or Klingons destroy, just like no one let Aggie kill. They don't hold former Borg responsible for assimilating, and don't hold min-melded people responsible for what they did under that influence. That's an obvious difference: letting happen versus punishing after.
Kurn killing Wesley is dishonorable cause Wesley is weak and probably unarmed in that situation. The Klingons would punish Kurn. In Worf's case, there was no one to file a complaint, since the victim's side agreed with his actions. When on a Klingon ship, Klingon law overrides Federation law.

 

The Sutherland was a Nebula class ship.

 

People keep saying this but I think it's ridiculous. Yes he was shouting but firstly it was noisy and secondly THERE WAS A BORG QUEEN RIGHT THERE, they're all terrified and the queen is taking over their ship and downing their shipmates, they are scared and in the heat of battle.

 

I used to watch new Discovery episodes at least twice in one week, but halfway season 3 I stopped doing that...

This episode is the first in a long time I watched again yesterday and I'm even looking forward to watching it again soon. Trek is back!