Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"

[KennyB]

Screen Crush doing Easter Egg breakdowns.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

I wonder if the Ross class is named after a certain admiral from DS9?

 

[Captain_Amasov]

I wonder if the Ross class is named after a certain admiral from DS9?

It's named for Mary Golda Ross.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Oh. Sorry, my bad.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

No worries, I thought the same initially.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Nah. He's definitely fucked it up with women faster than he did with Laris.

Really? Who? Beverly? Vash? Nella? Lily?

I don't think control of superficial indications of aging makes them all that powerful.

I recall Q bristled at the sight of Guinan in Q, Who?

No. She's working as a Coppelius diplomat to the Federation, not a Federation ambassador. In other words, she's representing Coppelius to the UFP, not the UFP to Coppelius.

I stand corrected.

I have no idea what the fuck this is supposed to mean. Agnes was very clear in saying that she was cleared of legal responsibility for Bruce's murder owing to temporary alien mind control. She has not been hiding what she did.

One drunk scene does not mean it's a pattern.

I was trying to be funny, relax.

I think that's a weirdly dismissive way of characterizing what we actually saw, which was that they're in a relationship but Raffi wants Seven to make their relationship more of a priority than Seven is willing to. Which is, I might add, a pretty obvious parallel to Picard's arc -- both Seven and Picard seem to have a major fear of commitment as a result of early trauma.

And I'm sure the unfolding adventure will provide the opportunity to improve their relationship. However, as things stood at the beginning of the episode. They're both on separate tracks. Raffi is back in Starfleet and Seven is back with these Fenris Rangers, who may or may not be on friendly terms with Starfleet.

We never saw him smoke.

I thought he was.

Insubordination makes them bad crew members, not him a bad captain.

And whose job would it be to rectify that on a starship?

No. It just sent the distress signal and then was not the ship assigned to investigate.

They got thrown around by the anomaly. Hope everyone's okay.

... what? Nothing in "The Star Gazer" suggests that Picard had any sort of "destiny." All it establishes is that his love of space travel was in part the result of his mother's encouragement and his desire to escape his abusive father.

I'm not talking about how Picard perceived his own memories. I'm talking about the way they're presented to us. With him looking up, and then the zoom out into deep space. All very overly "cinematic".

Why would they do that when they can leave you wanting more?

It seemed to work for Discovery when it first premiered, with both the "Vulcan Hello" and "Battle of the Binary Stars" being available for viewing.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I went into Season 2 of Picard frankly unsure if I was going to watch, but decided to give yesterday's episode a chance and I liked it. I deeply hope that the Borg mystery is incorporated into the "alternative universe" somehow as I was intrigued as to where they were going with that. I see that the exploding console has also made it's return to Star Trek.

I have a suspicion it is the alternate universe Borg, since they specifically asked for "Picard" and not "Locutus"

 

[NCC-73515]

Any screenies to see what I missed?

Pretty sure this was the first analysis

At least 4 Sovereigns, 2 Akiras, 2 Lunas, and they all look unchanged.

 

[dupersuper]

Daren from "Lessons" is Picard's type. Unless Laris has a thing for astrology

...Or astronomy, even...

No, that's punishable by being exiled!

I doubt their however-many-days long fling before the host died was enough to qualify.

I haven't seen this mentioned but Picard gives Elnor a book that Spock wrote about being one of the first Vulcans in Starfleet. Problem is, this myth of Spock being the first (was mentioned on the official Star Trek site even) or even one of the first doesn't hold up when there was the USS Intrepid and Discovery had Vulcan admiral Terral (who I still wonder might be Tuvok's father who was mentioned to be in Starfleet)

"One of" can be a bit vague: maybe it just used to be a lot less common for Vulcans to join than it is by the 24th/25th centuries.

Are you forgetting about the colony that Tasha came from?

That's a far far cry from 24th century Earth.

• Q hasn’t dropped in to say hi to Picard in 30 years? Bit rude.

Maybe he has and just reiterated that information when he left last time. Personally I'll always consider the Q story in the IDW Kelvin comics canon because it's awesome.

And in the 1980s it was heavily implied if not outright said in deleted scenes from TWOK that Saavik was half-Vulcan and half-Romulan, making her the first if we consider that canon.

But not fully Romulan, a Romulan citizen or raised Romulan.

When it comes to Seven killing the space pirates I got to ask. Why no stun setting? Modern Trek seems to forget the phasers don't have to kill people when used. She could have just shot them and then dropped them off somewhere.

What in the world makes you think she killed them? They were tied up.

Which tells me that he went on to even bigger things after captaining the Excelsior of his day.
I wonder what those things will turn out to be?

Or just had a legendary captaincy. Kirk, Pike, Archer, Janeway, Nog: naming ships after great captains is a Starfleet tradition.

We also see refits of the...Galaxy class

Specifically: the Ross class.

Picard's early life shares the same problem as Kelvinverse Kirk. It's like they were always destined to be great figures, contrary to Star Trek's push-back against the concept of predestination (well outside of Sisko anyways). So now Picard is just like Luke Skywalker.

I...really don't see this. How? Because his mom encouraged him to look to the stars? Then any one who has ever looked dreamily into space is "destined for greatness". Like Picard's nephew...

Perhaps, but the idea was cast from those lines. At least to me. Basically, Kirk is destined, and he tells Picard similarly in Generations.

I don't remember him saying any such thing.

 

[Sci]

Which tells me that he went on to even bigger things after captaining the Excelsior of his day.
I wonder what those things will turn out to be?

For whatever it's worth, in Shatner's Kirk novel The Return, he (or, rather, his ghost writers, Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens) established that Sulu served three terms as President of the United Federation of Planets. (The "Shatnerverse" novels were only ever in continuity with one-another, not with the "Novel Continuity" that evolved after 2001.)

But I'd also suggest that it could have just been named after him because of his time as captain of the Excelsior and his service aboard the Enterprise.

This has been a part of Trek since TUC and in large part more so with Q. In TUC, Spock tells Kirk that command is his first best destiny.

I think Spock was just speaking metaphorically.

Q added to that flavor with Tapestry, that Picard had to be reckless to become a better man, what he was destined to be.

I think the whole point of that episode was that Picard was not destined for greatness, that he was only able to achieve greatness by taking risks and through great effort.

Perhaps, but the idea was cast from those lines. At least to me. Basically, Kirk is destined, and he tells Picard similarly in Generations.

Except Kirk never once talks about destiny. What he does say is that Picard shouldn't let Starfleet promote him, because "while you're in that chair, you can make a difference."

Really? Who? Beverly? Vash? Nella? Lily?

I mean, he and Laris have clearly been building to this for at least a year and a half, and Picard ruined things with Vash, Nella, Lilly, and Anij all in way less time than that.

I recall Q bristled at the sight of Guinan in Q, Who?

Yeah, that never made sense, even in that episode.

And whose job would it be to rectify that on a starship?

Rios, and I'm sure he will.

I'm not talking about how Picard perceived his own memories. I'm talking about the way they're presented to us. With him looking up, and then the zoom out into deep space. All very overly "cinematic".

You're... upset that a work of art is being artistic?

It seemed to work for Discovery when it first premiered, with both the "Vulcan Hello" and "Battle of the Binary Stars" being available for viewing.

Sure, when you're trying to entice the audience to try a new thing, that makes sense. But this is S2 of a show starring Sir Patrick Stewart -- we're already all enticed.

"One of" can be a bit vague: maybe it just used to be a lot less common for Vulcans to join than it is by the 24th/25th centuries.

I'm inclined to disregard that line. It doesn't even make sense. Why would Vulcans be significantly less likely to serve in the military force of the interstellar union they co-founded? That would be like Massachusetts not sending anyone to join the U.S. Navy after ratifying the Constitution.

I...really don't see this. How? Because his mom encouraged him to look to the stars? Then any one who has ever looked dreamily into space is "destined for greatness". Like Picard's nephew...

Yeah. Nothing about that sequence was about "destiny." It was about explaining both why Picard has a lifelong fear of emotional intimacy and why Picard fell in love with the stars; the two are intimately interconnected in his psyche, which is why he used his career as an excuse even though we've seen plenty of successful Starfleet officers and commanders maintain marriages and partnerships.

 

[dupersuper]

Why would Vulcans be significantly less likely to serve in the military force of the interstellar union they co-founded?

Or the definitely not a military exploratory force...

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Vulcan sense of smell, is so acute, they can't tolerate working with anyother species.

 

[mswood]

Since when are people held accountable for what they do under the influence of a mind meld?

When exactly?​

"We won't go back! You don't know what it's like in our universe! The Borg's gone, the Confederation is everywhere!"


They're not back in time yet, and it seems the queen will be taken from the DI to have her open a temporal vortex


The Federation always puts other cultures first. Crusher wasn't even allowed to figure out how the Ferengi died because it was against Ferengi custom to do an autopsy. So Klingon rules, the victim's culture, is what mattered here.

Sorry but no. The Ferengi wasn't a member of the Federation or a member of Starfleet so they were respecting the laws of that society that person was from. Which yes that they do, but direct attacks against Federation citizens or Starfleet vessels is usually not treated so lightly. For example they aren't going to just let a Borg assimilate, because that's their culture, or they aren't going to just let a Klingon ship destroy them because that's their culture.

If Kurn, for example had killed, say Wesley, its possible that the Federation would hand him over to his government for their dispensing of judgment. But Worf is a Federation citizen and a member of Starfleet. So now he has to abide by teh laws of the Federation and the rules of conduct of Starfleet.

 

[Jayson1]

I wonder if the Southerland class of ship is suppose to be the same exact ship that Data once commanded,. I know it would be a older ship but I think Starfleet ships can last for a good 30 years or so before needing to be retired from service

 

[jaime]

8/10, much better start to the season than the Season 1 premiere.

Zhaban died off screen...are you kidding me?

Picard effed it up with Laris in like 5 seconds...a new record!

El-Auriens don't age unless they want to. What are El-Auriens exactly, and why do they seem more powerful than a species made refugees by the Borg would be?

Soji is working as an Federation emissary/ambassador along with Dr. Agnes "I'm still looking for my boyfriend's murderer" Jurati. Jurati is now hitting the sauce pretty hard.

Raffi and Seven's relationship seems to be going nowhere. On brand for most Voyager characters besides Tom and B'Elanna.

Well, if you can drink and have meals on the bridge, I guess you can smoke too. Rios might be a shit captain though. He told his crew to stand down and they kept firing like if he hadn't said anything at all.

Nice to see an Akira class. But what ultimately happened to the Avalon? Was it destroyed by the anomaly?

Nice to see a fleet with a more diverse range of ship classes. The "Sovereign class for movies only" rule is finally dead. We also see refits of the Nebula and Galaxy class, what I think is the Obena class, the Luna class, and some other First Contact ships. Any screenies to see what I missed?

We see the most dreaded Borg ship of all...the Borg Snowflake!

Picard's early life shares the same problem as Kelvinverse Kirk. It's like they were always destined to be great figures, contrary to Star Trek's push-back against the concept of predestination (well outside of Sisko anyways). So now Picard is just like Luke Skywalker.

Unfortunately, the episodes ends just as things were getting good. Q appears and it's over. They should have made the second episode available.

Wildly misinformed speculations:
The "Queen" who beamed aboard is Seven of Nine.
She was there to save the fleet from some Borg malware that is present in the Borg technology installed in this new generation of starships. Picard will get a second chance to not detonate the Stargazer and de-escalate the situation. He'll also get a second chance to avoid being sent into the Romulan Friend Zone.

I agree with the speculations… except… what if the Borg queen is Beverly Crusher?

 

[NCC-73515]

Sorry but no. The Ferengi wasn't a member of the Federation or a member of Starfleet so they were respecting the laws of that society that person was from. Which yes that they do, but direct attacks against Federation citizens or Starfleet vessels is usually not treated so lightly. For example they aren't going to just let a Borg assimilate, because that's their culture, or they aren't going to just let a Klingon ship destroy them because that's their culture.

If Kurn, for example had killed, say Wesley, its possible that the Federation would hand him over to his government for their dispensing of judgment. But Worf is a Federation citizen and a member of Starfleet. So now he has to abide by teh laws of the Federation and the rules of conduct of Starfleet.

Easy: They don't let Borg assimilate, or Klingons destroy, just like no one let Aggie kill. They don't hold former Borg responsible for assimilating, and don't hold min-melded people responsible for what they did under that influence. That's an obvious difference: letting happen versus punishing after.
Kurn killing Wesley is dishonorable cause Wesley is weak and probably unarmed in that situation. The Klingons would punish Kurn. In Worf's case, there was no one to file a complaint, since the victim's side agreed with his actions. When on a Klingon ship, Klingon law overrides Federation law.

 

[Tosk]

I wonder if the Southerland class of ship is suppose to be the same exact ship that Data once commanded,. I know it would be a older ship but I think Starfleet ships can last for a good 30 years or so before needing to be retired from service

The Sutherland was a Nebula class ship.

 

[Mike Doyle]

Rios might be a shit captain though. He told his crew to stand down and they kept firing like if he hadn't said anything at all.

People keep saying this but I think it's ridiculous. Yes he was shouting but firstly it was noisy and secondly THERE WAS A BORG QUEEN RIGHT THERE, they're all terrified and the queen is taking over their ship and downing their shipmates, they are scared and in the heat of battle.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I wonder if there really are Fenris Rangers...have we met any others? Or are they just Seven's imaginary friends...?

 

[Visitor1982]

I used to watch new Discovery episodes at least twice in one week, but halfway season 3 I stopped doing that...

This episode is the first in a long time I watched again yesterday and I'm even looking forward to watching it again soon. Trek is back!