TNG looks like a product of the late 80s/early 90s in every aspect and that needn’t be a negative.
Casual clothes TNG to PIC - from terrible to far too 2020s?
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Right, and that is annoying, but they were at least trying. They were giving us something. Today they’re too creatively lazy. There’s an end of history hubris/decadence to it.
Exactly how I feel. Everything ages, but they tried at least.
There's nothing dated about those outfits from All Good Things. They were just as cheesy the day it aired.
They can't fool me. That Earth uniform is just a Starfleet uniform except the stripe is the same colour as the rest of the tunic.
Cloaks are better.
For future episodes, the designers have to create a casual outfit with the material being velour.
The waistline on Beverly's uniform makes it look like she's wearing trousers up to her armpits. And Data looks like he wears some of those trousers under a babydoll nightie.
Only Geordi comes out of that ok.
I prefer the Rios and Book pictures, hands down. So much easier to take seriously.
I'm afraid I don't hold to the notion that the modern designers aren't trying. You not liking it doesn't equate to us being given nothing or them being lazy. I, like many others, prefer the modern take.
I think those were designed to make them look older.
Already discussed. We’re talking casual outfits, not uniforms.
I’m not sure I understand what this means, but I think Data looks fine.
Han Solo and the guy from a thousand years from now who looks like the guy outside the club last night? Let’s agree to disagree.
They're trying at something, they’re trying at cool, and they’re infusing a bit of, a hint of, a veil of futurism…but it’s like they’re embarrassed by the genre. By the period they’re trying to present. This is more a failure of the producers than the costumers, just following orders.
? And you liking them doesn’t equate to the outfits being realistic for the distant future.
I'm glad you do. I wish more of us today were wearing similarly interesting outfits. So many mass-produced fashions are dull. But then both couture and popular affordable clothiers like Zara offer more out-there options.
In my post I didn't say that was the case though. More that you disliking them doesn't mean laziness on the part of the producers. Whether or not they look futuristic is entirely subjective, your opinion carries as much weight as mine. I don't however see how a dislike equates to laziness on their part.
I get the impression you're dressy and I like that. So am I and I love wearing unusual stuff. Fortunately living in Vietnam I have an affordable tailor who makes bespoke outfits for me. :-)
I’m not sure where you’re coming from. My opinion is mine and yours is yours and we both get to have each. I like both looks above (Rios’s and Book’s) quite a bit, but I take issue with their being of their supposed time. Something being futuristic is subjective, but not entirely. You don’t get to say that any design is futuristic and have your opinion count the same as someone else’s if you’re being disingenuous in it, or if you’re plainly wrong.
Look at the suits people wear on Futurama. They’re mostly identical to current ones (or ones from 20 years ago), but with future-y rings at the shoulders. You could say they’re futuristic if that’s all you know, and you’d be right in the ironic retro way they were going for, and you might actually think they are, but you’d still be wrong even if two people outvoted one person saying that they’re not.
You’re focusing too much on my personal dislike. Plainly look at the outfits, look at fashion from 400 or 1000 years ago, consider that the world will likely change exponentially with time and technological change as we move ahead, and consider what they were wearing twenty years ago. Maybe there was a freak revival of 400 year old outfits and vastly inferior zipper technology and whatnot, or it’s just a TV show and they were going for something more stylized and contemporary and less realistic and futuristic.
It’s not just the clothes. In PIC especially the anachronistic future is in many areas. And the technology of the 32nd century nowhere near matches the rate of change during the live action years, let alone reality. There were slipstream drives, artificial quantum singularities, quantum torpedoes, Batmobile armor, all invented within the span of how many years, and yet they’re still using photon and quantum torpedoes and everything else 1000 years later.
That’s pretty cool. I wish we had affordable tailors around here but that’s not the case, at least not on my public servant salary.
The cape is fine, the hat doesn't really convey the message that I'm the representative of Earth.Ah, the extremes of DISCO fashion
I think she needs a better hat IMO.
I don't take issue with any of that. I take issue with statements that amount to the production team 'not trying'. They are trying, it's just not what you'd like them to try. It works for some, not for others.
I think what we have increasingly seen over the centuries is a move away from ostentation. A kind of streamlining if you will. You may call it a failure of imagination, but as I said, I'm just not sure how much more streamlined the shapes we wear can become. I don't see exponential changes in fashion occurring, because manufacturing techniques have pushed our garments as far as they can be pushed in terms of function, form and cost.
Of course, I could be completely wrong. As you say, if we are speculating about fashion in a few centuries time then any opinion is valid.
This I agree with. The 32nd century in DSC seems to be entirely a matter of aesthetic change rather than technological change. They could have gone way further than detached nacelles.
If you're a reader, you may be interested in this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_of_Earth's_Past
A trilogy of books by Chinese author Liu CiXin. The first book is largely set from the 1960s to the present(ish) day, but the second and third books go wild with time jumps and describe some pretty out there things. In terms of fashion, people wear clothes that are pretty much like ours in shape, but have some kind of holographic projection stuff embedded in them so that they can be programmed to be whatever colour you like, or have animated prints. Very cool stuff.
