Casual clothes TNG to PIC - from terrible to far too 2020s?

[Arpy]

I take issue with statements that amount to the production team 'not trying'. They are trying, it's just not what you'd like them to try. It works for some, not for others.

They’re not though. They’re doing something else. Stewart didn’t want to do space suits again, so they gave him more contemporary. That’s a creative choice. They jumped beyond the reach of canon an in the 32nd century….to keep doing what they were doing. That’s their creative choice. Neither is as “reaching.” Fans might like the shows regardless (when PIC premiered, I watched each episode again almost every night until the next one aired, and did the same for the entire season), and that’s fine, but they are what they are. You don’t get to have it both ways.

I don't see exponential changes in fashion occurring, because manufacturing techniques have pushed our garments as far as they can be pushed in terms of function, form and cost.

We’ll be wearing programmable matter nano-garments in a century you wait and see.

If you're a reader, you may be interested in this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_of_Earth's_Past

A trilogy of books by Chinese author Liu CiXin. The first book is largely set from the 1960s to the present(ish) day, but the second and third books go wild with time jumps and describe some pretty out there things. In terms of fashion, people wear clothes that are pretty much like ours in shape, but have some kind of holographic projection stuff embedded in them so that they can be programmed to be whatever colour you like, or have animated prints. Very cool stuff.

I’ll take a look. Thanks.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Stewart didn’t want to do space suits again

I dimly remember Stewart saying something like that. Do you have a source?

 

[Alexander Corrino]

I dimly remember Stewart saying something like that. Do you have a source?

He did say that one of his conditions for returning to Trek was for Jean-Luc to not be in a Starfleet uniform, but he has already acknowledged that this went right out of the window in the first season.



Source: https://www.cinemablend.com/televis...t-made-before-signing-on-for-star-trek-picard

 

[Richard S. Ta]

He did say that one of his conditions for returning to Trek was for Jean-Luc to not be in a Starfleet uniform, but he has already acknowledged that this went right out of the window in the first season.

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Source: https://www.cinemablend.com/televis...t-made-before-signing-on-for-star-trek-picard

Thank you. That pretty much confirms what I thought.

So @Arpy, Stewart didn't lay down a condition for no futuristic clothing. He simply wanted Picard out of Starfleet uniform. Any producer-led design mandate to shift towards contemporary clothing at the behest of Stewart is gross misinterpretation on your part I'm afraid.

 

[Oddish]

I would think that casual clothes would evolve toward simplicity, durability, functionality, and comfort over the centuries. Soft fabric, lots of pockets, etc.

Of course, fashionable clothing... who knows how weird that would get?

 

[Arpy]

Thank you. That pretty much confirms what I thought.

So @Arpy, Stewart didn't lay down a condition for no futuristic clothing. He simply wanted Picard out of Starfleet uniform. Any producer-led design mandate to shift towards contemporary clothing at the behest of Stewart is gross misinterpretation on your part I'm afraid.

Well, @Richard S. Ta (are we arguing now? Is this a competition?), it wasn’t just that. It was part of the overall pitch to him given his reservations about trying to redo TNG. He said that he was apprehensive about doing TNG again so as to not mess with the work they did there, and also not wanting to go down the same path at this point in his life. Not wanting to be in a spacesuit was not simply being put in his old uniform/new one for a couple scenes, but not wanting to be in one (especially not his old one) for the series proper.

Look at the entire series. Do you think they’re doing TNG? It’s visually, thematically, structurally, etc a different show, and, yes, the costumes are part of that.

 

[Species517]

I don't think it's the clothes of Star Trek civilians that will date the show. I think it's names of the characters. Look at the some of the top baby names for 2021: Luna, Ava, Charlotte, Liam, Noah, Elijah.

It's hard to believe that by the 24th century people will still be naming their kids William, Tom, Christopher, etc.

 

[Phil123]

I don't think it's the clothes of Star Trek civilians that will date the show. I think it's names of the characters. Look at the some of the top baby names for 2021: Luna, Ava, Charlotte, Liam, Noah, Elijah.

It's hard to believe that by the 24th century people will still be naming their kids William, Tom, Christopher, etc.

you may be right, however I feel sticking with more traditional names helps it not date in the short medium term. There are still many people with those names whereas the more unique fashionable names of an era may disappear a lot faster.

 

[Arpy]

Ava’s a shocker. I mean, who’s the most famous Ava you can think of?

Luna’s kind of funny. Can’t wait till there’s an explosion of Ganymede’s, Io’s, and Europa’s.

Also, I don’t think Christopher, William, Timothy et al are going anywhere. (A generation of women will name their children Timothée [Chalamet] you wait and see.) I’m Greek, and we still use Artemis, Antigone, Electra, Athena, Persephone, Eurydice…Achilles, Pericles, Ares, Odysseus, Socrates, Hippocrates, etc…as well as Chris, Nick, Greg, Luke, George, Elizabeth, Victoria, Maria, etc.

 

[fireproof78]

Ava’s a shocker. I mean, who’s the most famous Ava you can think of?

No one recently. But, I know several children named Ava.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Ava DuVernay comes to my mind immediately.

Popular name trends often come from pervasive fictional characters as much as anything, Harry Potter caused a massive uptick in kids named Hermione. Could it be that there’s a (or even several) character(s) in popular fiction named Ava that helped its popularity increase as well?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ava’s a shocker. I mean, who’s the most famous Ava you can think of?

Luna’s kind of funny. Can’t wait till there’s an explosion of Ganymede’s, Io’s, and Europa’s.

Also, I don’t think Christopher, William, Timothy et al are going anywhere. (A generation of women will name their children Timothée [Chalamet] you wait and see.) I’m Greek, and we still use Artemis, Antigone, Electra, Athena, Persephone, Eurydice…Achilles, Pericles, Ares, Odysseus, Socrates, Hippocrates, etc…as well as Chris, Nick, Greg, Luke, George, Elizabeth, Victoria, Maria, etc.

Ava Gardner
Ava DuVernay

 

[The Wormhole]

It's hard to believe that by the 24th century people will still be naming their kids William, Tom, Christopher, etc.

Such names have been around for over a thousand years already, it's not farfetched to think they'll still be around three hundred years from now.

 

[Arpy]

Ava Gardner
Ava DuVernay

Gardner was born in ‘22. Point is, though it’s spelled differently, it’s often pronounced the same as Eva Braun, Adolf’s last-minute wife and co-suicider. …yuck. Gives me the heebie-jeebies.

I’d rather go with Artemis, Effie, Alexandra, or something…even Nike — as in Winged Nike (Victory) of Samothrace — if we’re talking Greek names. I’ve always liked Amanda or Nicoletta “Nico” “Niki” if we’re talking non-Greek.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, because I am a word and name geek I had to look up the definition:
The name Ava is a girl's name of Latin origin meaning "life; bird; water, island".

As of 2016, it was seeing an upswing in popularity due to Hugh Jackman and Reese Witherspoon, among other famous celebrities, were naming their child Ava.

So, while unusual, certainly understandable.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Gardner was born in ‘22. Point is, though it’s spelled differently, it’s often pronounced the same as Eva Braun, Adolf’s last-minute wife and co-suicider. …yuck. Gives me the heebie-jeebies.
.

I'm sure Eva Longoria and Eva Green have had many sleepless nights.

 

[Arpy]

While I’m thinking about it, some unusual Greek names that come to mind…I know I’m forgetting some great ones…Metropolitus, maybe…that I don’t think are Classical but that aren’t often found in the English-speaking world:

• Panagiotis (male. all holy) shortened: Pano
• Paraskevi (female. preparation/Friday) Voula
• Argyrios (m. silver) Rouly
• Vasiliki (f. royal) Vaso
• Prothromos (m. forerunner/John the Baptist)
• Athanasios (m. immortal) Thanasi
• Stavros (m. the cross) Stavro
• Elpitha (f. hope)
• Gerasimus (m. one deserving of honor) Gerasime (ye-RA-si-meh)
• C/haralambos (m. glowing with joy) Hari, Haris
• Nectarios (m. nectar, a food of the Gods) Nectarie
• Savvas (m. old warrior) Savva
• C/hrysostomos (m. golden mouthed)

They’re often shortened to something, e.g. Haralambos to Hari (roll the r), Harry; the diminutive of Argyrios (ar-YEE-rios) is Argyroulis, therefore Rouly (ROO-lee).

 

[Arpy]

I'm sure Eva Longoria and Eva Green have had many sleepless nights.

Me too.

EDIT: not for nothing, but Eva Longoria is smarter than people give her credit for and (the harlot) still looks amazing. And Eva Green is a fave. I first saw her in The Dreamers and liked her in Penny Deadful among other roles. My favorite “Bond Girl” (if we’re permitted to have one beyond Famke Janssen)….heck, more like he was Her Boy.

 

[MAGolding]

Ava’s a shocker. I mean, who’s the most famous Ava you can think of?

Luna’s kind of funny. Can’t wait till there’s an explosion of Ganymede’s, Io’s, and Europa’s.

Also, I don’t think Christopher, William, Timothy et al are going anywhere. (A generation of women will name their children Timothée [Chalamet] you wait and see.) I’m Greek, and we still use Artemis, Antigone, Electra, Athena, Persephone, Eurydice…Achilles, Pericles, Ares, Odysseus, Socrates, Hippocrates, etc…as well as Chris, Nick, Greg, Luke, George, Elizabeth, Victoria, Maria, etc.

I note that some are Chrisitan names and a few are the names of pagan Greek gods. So I suppose there are people named after other Greek gods you didn't mention.

And I assume that some Greek surnames are after the names of places someone comes from.

I have an idea for a story in which a Greek family named Monos, originally from a place named Monos, emigrates to the USA. A son is named Pan Dionysus Monos. And someone convinces the Monos family that in the USA surnames ending in -ium are more classy and prestigious than surnames ending in -os. And so they change their surname from Monos to Monium, and the boy becomes known as Pan D. Monium.

 

[Arpy]

I note that some are Chrisitan names and a few are the names of pagan Greek gods.

Exactly. It’s a mix of Ancient and Christian names throughout Greece’s long history. The New Testament was written in Greek.

And there are controversies about parents using foreign names, or foreign versions of existing Greek names, and the like. The name Mia for example is a confusing import to some Greek ears as “mia” already means “one” or “a.”

Then there’s when they have to change the pronunciation of a foreign name for various reasons…actress Leelee Sobieski is problematic as lee-LEE is “dick” in Greek. Charlton Heston becomes Charlton Easton, as Heston literally means “shit on him,” as in the dismissive “fuck that guy” or “to hell with him.”

So I suppose there are people named after other Greek gods you didn't mention.

Yeah, loads. Urania, Aphrodite, Adonis, Hyperion, Demeter, Heracles, Dionysus, Niki, more.

Plus Ancient names of mortals too like Leonidas (of The 300 fame), Diogenes, Aristotle, etc…

And there’s the ones we have here in the US — Sophia, Helen, Cassandra, Penelope, Rhea, Anastasia, Jason, Dorian, Alexander, Eugene, Sebastian, Hector.

And, again, all the Christian names — Theodore, Paul, Stephen, Nicholas, Christina, Agatha, etc. Although, often the Greek versions of those names. Paul is Pavlos, Stephanos, Petros, Alexandros, Georgios, Michalis, Agatha is ah-ya-THA.

Some are very different — John is Yannis, or the more formal Ioannis ee-oh-AH-nees. But then John is a crazy name everywhere — think the German Johann, or Ian, Ivan, Jean, Janek, Hans, Giovanni…

And I assume that some Greek surnames are after the names of places someone comes from.

I have an idea for a story in which a Greek family named Monos, originally from a place named Monos, emigrates to the USA. A son is named Pan Dionysus Monos. And someone convinces the Monos family that in the USA surnames ending in -ium are more classy and prestigious than surnames ending in -os. And so they change their surname from Monos to Monium, and the boy becomes known as Pan D. Monium.