Well, that was on TNG, and as we know TNG can do little wrong
Also, Burnham is always wrong.
Also, Nhan is always right.
I trust I don't have to explain myself further.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x09 - "Rubicon"
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Also, Burnham is always wrong.
Also, Nhan is always right.
I trust I don't have to explain myself further.
Well, this was a friendly exchange for a short while.
I just remembered why I never posted in this forum anymore.
It was not because of the show.
I forgot, sIipped, will hop on the bandwagon again. No harm done. It's a learning curve.
I just remembered why I never posted in this forum anymore.
It was not because of the show.
I forgot, sIipped, will hop on the bandwagon again. No harm done. It's a learning curve.
You should've expected it by now. We're on Season 4.Because I keep wondering if the Disco writers will come out with something more meaningful and approach a situation with more common sense... and when they don't, they keep surprising me with how dumb of an approach they take.
I guess that's one thing they're good at.
They both are in agreement to be on the same ship and work together as Captain & #1.
If both are fine with that arrangement, I don't see any issue.
Is this the first time in Star Trek history of having two Captain-ranked officers on the same ship in the Skipper & First Mate positions?
Yet they didn't murder each other, just damage each others ships a bit.
Nothing that can't be repaired.
That would require technical competency on StarFleet's part. I know you & I wouldn't have issue implementing that in the SF Universe, but the current writers in charge. -_-.
It's a old issue that we both agree on, next!
It's a great Shonen, pretty legendary series in the Anime/Manga world. Very long running.
Go back and watch it again, I think you might've misunderstood where Tarka was from.
Booker is liable as the "Get-away" driver & "Aidding & Abetting".
But he didn't steal the proto-type. That's all Tarka.
True
Maybe.
Maybe, depends on the type of processing / calculations needed.
There are some things that Humans are still superior at then tech.
Maybe being a biological Navigator is one of them.
Nooo!!! Come back, we like you as you are! We want you to stay.
That's the reference you use?
The best one is Hi am Worf, I just murdered a political leader of a foreign government. My punishment is I get a mark on my permanent record....
A great episode of TNG, but seriously that's his punishment....I can see the Klingons not thanking anything was wrong with what he did, but Starfleet or the Federation....That legitimately should have ended his career.
I can see why it didn't. Yes it is a massive violation of the non-interference directive. However, per Klingon law of vengeance Worf was within his rights and it happened on Kllingon jurisdiction (Duras' ship). While Worf's still guilty of the interference thing, Duras' murder of a Federation ambassador on Federation ground alleviates a lot of that (I'd say they might even have revoked Duras' diplomatic immunity due to the sheer brutality of K'heylr's death) and just the general Federation being against Duras anyway and preferring the lesser evil of Gowron all culminate in Worf getting off the hook. It's not entirely unrealistic, and that's not even getting into possible Section 31 involvement.
I'd even say after watching Prodigy that the non-interference directive is void because Duras' murder of a Fed ambassador is basically an act of war.
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After she and Nahn came up with the calculate mining time plan, they said they were going to call Vance, the call itself just wasn't shown, since it would just repeat the info we had just seen in that conversation. We found out the results of that conversation with Vance when Michael revealed to Book that the UFP would support it.
Yeah no. He commits first degree premeditated murder (thanks to having the foresight to remove his comm badge). Yes he is upset, and with cause, but he acts upon it and does so in a way to murder someone. And does so while in active service of Starfleet and a citizen of the Federation and wearing his uniform.
He is guilty, he's a murderer. This isn't someone like Picard who kills thousands under the influence of the Borg Hive mind, or people like Geordi or Juranti who have their mind tampered and whose actions they don't have full control over.
This is something that gets you dishonorable discharged, and sent to serve a murder sentence in teh US armed forces.
This has literally nothing to do with Klingon law or diplomatic relations. This is about Starfleet rules and regulations and Federation law. And since its part of his formal record its clearly not a security issue. That at least helped save Riker's career.
It's literally one of the very worst example in Trek's history about repercussions for a characters action, and its in a f'ing great episode not only of TNG, but Trek overall.
In DS9 Blood Oath, Jadzia is going to full fill a Klingon custom to murder the albino. And Sisko mentions that she is subject to Federation law, and that is she does this she thanks she can just come back here. Now of course she doesn't do it, but Ben doesn't report it assume, as there absolutely should be repercussions to even the attempt of doing so. And at least in her case, she doesn't go in uniform (seriously organized groups really don't like you committing crimes in uniform) and did request a leave of duty (Since she's not stopped) I am assuming Sisko approved the leave (As if she did kill him, or her other actions it wouldn't hep shield the Federation and Starfleet from it, and it provides a little shield from some of the worse aspect of military law).
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I'm starting to see where you're coming from. Worf might not have been imprisoned since it happened on Klingon jurisdiction, but he'd get a dishonorable discharge from Starfleet.
The closest analogy I can think of is that Anakin Skywalker's murder of the Tuskens probably wasn't illegal under Hutt law, and therefore he would not be imprisoned by either the Hutts or the Republic. But he would have been expelled from the Jedi Order due to their own rules about such things.
Wild speculation but Tarka and Book are going to make amends when 10-C proves hostile by detonating the omega molecules that 10-C uses to power their technology seemingly destroying themselves in the process, only to wind up in the alternate universe Tarka wanted to go to, because surprise, he had a backup plan.
And then they can have the spinoff with Book and Tarka in the alternate universe that absolutely no one asked for.
If these aliens are so powerful, why doesn't Tarka just wait for first contact and then just ask the aliens to take him to the other dimension? He can go on a rampage against them after they say no. As it is, he clearly didn't think this through as he now blew up their mining equipment for nothing and now the option of asking them is gone.
If Worf was human, yes. But since he's Klingon, different cultures must be understood.
Even if the UFP / StarFleet may not agree with the principles.
That's why Worf was given a demerit letter as his only punishment.
In Klingon culture, what he did would be considered normal, understandable, & justifiable.
Worf was supposed to leave that at the door when he signed up for Starfleet. As Ben Sisko outright asked him, "Does this look like a Klingon station to you?"
However, I still think that some behind the scenes crooked dealings kept Worf in Starfleet. Gowron owed Worf a debt. The leader of the Klingons was indebted to Starfleet even more now. The Fed isn't going to throw that advantage away, considering the brutality of the last few Klingon wars. Period. And thus Worf was going to stay in Starfleet
For all the Fed knew Chancellor Gowron might take revenge later on if Worf was punished. That alone would keep Worf safe.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gowron pulled some "BtS" strings for Worf, given all that Worf has done for Gowron.
It seems like Starfleet's typical reaction to Worf pulling Klingon murder stuff like this is to tell him that he's reached the limits of how far they'll go to accomodate cultural diversity and if he wants to act like this he should resign. What we know about Federation law and Starfleet rules comes from episodes like these, so I guess it's not something that'll get you dishonourably discharged and arrested for murder in this century.
It's a bit of a stretch; the guy had a working miniature of the bloody thing, but hadn't correctly identified it's power source?
It's a minor quibble for me given everything else that went on, though.
To be fair the working miniature had an external power source as well.
He identified the power source, he just didn't take into account that it might not be inside the device.
He assumed that his calculations were correct and that he would find what he was looking for on this side of the Galactic Barrier.
He was wrong.
(his arrogance kept him from seeing that possibility)
I gave the episode an 8.
I also think a lot of the complaints about how the season is dragging out would be mitigated if all the episodes had been released at once.
They are trying to use an old fashion way of broadcasting shows in an era where many of us are very used to being able to binge entire seasons and it's to the detriment of each episode.
Though personally, I've begun to make my judgement about each season's enjoyment left till it's completed.
He assumed that his calculations were correct and that he would find what he was looking for on this side of the Galactic Barrier.
He was wrong.
(his arrogance kept him from seeing that possibility)
I gave the episode an 8.
I also think a lot of the complaints about how the season is dragging out would be mitigated if all the episodes had been released at once.
They are trying to use an old fashion way of broadcasting shows in an era where many of us are very used to being able to binge entire seasons and it's to the detriment of each episode.
Though personally, I've begun to make my judgement about each season's enjoyment left till it's completed.
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