When have we seen this?
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When have we seen this?
Yep. The same for Tellarites and Klingons, though slightly less so with the latter since we know that the makeup look established for Seasons 1 and 2 of DSC was purely a creative choice and given no onscreen explanation. Still, one can head canon that the Empire has many different Klingon looks, not just TMP/TNG types and the more human Augment Klingons.
There are, at this point, nine distinct Klingon designs: The Kor/Kang version with dark skin and bifurcated eyebrows; the Kras/Koloth version with no makeup at all; the TMP version with a single spine-like ridge bisecting a smooth cranium; the ST III version that introduced individualized forehead plates and had much subtler female ridges (Valkris); the ST IV-VI version with more rounded forehead plates and finer ridges, also with sharp gender dimorphism; the Michael Westmore TNG-to-ENT version that's like the ST III version with ridged noses and no gender dimorphism; the Kelvin timeline version with a full-head prosthetic, tinted contacts, and no hair; the DSC season 1 version with an even more radical full-head prosthetic and no hair; and the DSC season 2 version that restored hair and reverted the backs of the skulls to more human proportions.
Murf is too freakin' cute for words.
I found this at Memory Beta
Perhaps the inspiration for Murf ...
Gelloid
"The Gelloids were a species composed largely of protoplasm.
They were known to the Federation by the 2370s.
A Gelloid was visiting Deep Space-9 in 2370, when the station became home to a disorientated group of Horta.
When the Horta found their way onto the space station's promenade the people of the station, including the Gelloid and an Avian trader, were rather startled and in the ensuing chaos the Avian's talons got stuck in the Gelloid's gooey protoplasm.
(DS-9 Novel "Devil in the Sky)"
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Gelloid
Though I don't know if they were ever mentioned in any of the shows.
Perhaps the inspiration for Murf ...
Gelloid
"The Gelloids were a species composed largely of protoplasm.
They were known to the Federation by the 2370s.
A Gelloid was visiting Deep Space-9 in 2370, when the station became home to a disorientated group of Horta.
When the Horta found their way onto the space station's promenade the people of the station, including the Gelloid and an Avian trader, were rather startled and in the ensuing chaos the Avian's talons got stuck in the Gelloid's gooey protoplasm.
(DS-9 Novel "Devil in the Sky)"
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Gelloid
Though I don't know if they were ever mentioned in any of the shows.
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Funny. I'm ahead of my brother on the Prodigy curve. I'm caught up with all the episodes but he isn't. And he's the one with the eight-year-old. 
The La Sirena uses a transwarp conduit as a shortcut in the PIC episode Et in Arcadia Ego, Pt. 1. In DISCO, we also see Booker and Osyraa reference and use abandoned transwarp conduits as common courier shortcuts, though by that time they are old and full of space junk from the Burn after years without proper maintenance.
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I thought WGA had a limit of 6 writers getting credit for a TV episode. I remember reading that was the reason Michael Piller didn't get credit for TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise". The entire staff worked on that script, but the 2 freelance writers who wrote the original script were going to get the "story" credit and the "teleplay" credit went to the TNG staff minus Piller even though he did participate. And as you say as the showrunner he was the logical person to be excluded.
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Just because those are transwarp conduits doesn't mean they must be the Borg's transwarp conduits.
Also, La Sirena means "The Mermaid," so putting another "the" before it is redundant.
Okay. Then maybe it's a maximum of four for the teleplay? This episode didn't break down story and teleplay credits; it was all teleplay.
There's no indication in Picard that the transwarp conduit had been abandoned. Meanwhile, the reason the transwarp conduit on Disco was supposed to have been abandoned was because it was no longer safe due to all the debris within it from ships that were destroyed in the Burn.
While not explicit, there are hints something has changed in the status quo. You would think if the Borg were still around in Discovery’s time, they would use their drones to clean out those tunnels for proper use. In Picard, they don’t say much about it, but it is telling the only Borg we see is an abandoned cube, and the Borg onboard are not immediately reconnected to the Collective when activated. It suggests the Borg presence in that area is diminished.
Either way, the existence of transwarp conduits that can be used as shortcuts between quadrants by civilian ships is confirmed in Picard. It makes sense other ships in search of exploration or profit would use them to leave the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
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I don't object to that part, merely the erroneous assumption that the transwarp conduits mentioned onscreen were intended to be Borg-made. That's speculating beyond the actual evidence.
I just posted this on the plot speculation thread after something Aaron Waltke mentioned made me think maybe Murf is a Drella, a species mentioned by the computer once on TOS.
I could go with that! I like that theory.
Unless they were as decimated by the Burn as everyone else.
That was addressed on the show, the Borg don't make an effort to "rescue" a ship after it's been disconnected from the Collective, which we've seen throughout TNG and Voyager is indeed the case.
Well, we DO have evidence.
In TNG, when the ENT-D encountered renegade Borg and Lore, Geordi said the Borg established a network of TW conduits in the AQ.
Its possible these conduits are the same ones seen in use in Picard and later on in the 32nd century... just became neglected over time.
The Burn could have caused some ships to explode in transit, though to be fair, Trek interstellar powers in the 32nd century seem to be quite a bit dumb (or DUMBER) than their historical counterparts.
They already had ridiculously automated tech in the 23rd and 24th centuries... they could have sent a few automated self replicating probes which would clean up the debris from the conduits after the Burn using tractor beams and projecting low level subspace fields to lower their inertial mass for easier towing. The said drones could have been programmed to create more of themselves from the old debris (which can be used as raw material) and clean up the conduits over time... large excess leftover matter (aka broken up ship hulls etc.) should have been brought out of the conduits and towed to nearest facilities where they'd be broken down into base elements and reconstituted into new starships or into something else.
Transporters and replicators alone could easily do that... with programmable matter, it becomes even simpler - but then again, Disco is a show that completely ignored the fact that subspace fields can be used to lower an inertial mass of ships (which was already used in the 24th century to improve manueverability of large ships to the point where they moved with ridiculous ease) and went with 'detached nacelles' to do the same.
Could have used another reason for detached nacelles or whole hulls. Perhaps improved overall safety in case of catastrophic explosion in one section of the ship... upon which safety mechanisms would push detached sections away from each other with repulsor tractor beams.
None of the live action series ever went into full blown detail on what Trek technology could do with proverbial ease even after seeing tech partly being used for those purposes.
Seriously, this issue of having completely clogged up TW conduits is a bit daft. Just send the probes, leave them to work on their own and that's it. It may take a bit of time (depending on the number of conduits, etc... but since the Burn happened, SF could have easily charted cleaned and charted those conduits).
Also, I'm surprised nothing came out of Borg TW tech VOY used in the DQ. Dead TW coils could still be studied so they can be reverse engineered.
Though, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason why the conduits may have been left as they are was to PREVENT potential hostile ships from approaching the weakened UFP/SF HQ... although, again, with the excess matter from those ships in the conduits, SF could have easily built numerous defensive automated and cloaked turrets which would inspect ships as they come through... and if Emerald Chain ships emerge... they could be fired upon immediately and disabled on sight.
Oh well.
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