Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy General Discussion Thread

[Deks]

Unless they were as decimated by the Burn as everyone else.

There's no reason to think they were.
The Borg have been using an unknown power source for their ships... but nothing in live action series suggests use of Dilithium and M/AM.

Although its possible that once VOY crippled the Borg in 'Endgame'... it was something from which they couldn't really recover easily.
After all, the Queen was destroyed along with the main Unicomplex in the DQ (the very heart and brains of the Borg).
Its possible all or most Borg everywhere became disconnected from the Hive mind once this was done and the TW network was obliterated (and I suspect it might be possible this is how the Artifact in ST: Picard was captured and studied by Romulans).

That was addressed on the show, the Borg don't make an effort to "rescue" a ship after it's been disconnected from the Collective, which we've seen throughout TNG and Voyager is indeed the case.

Seven of Nine stated otherwise and we saw in one of her memories that the Borg DID send a rescue ship. I would imagine the reason the Borg didn't come back for some of the disconnected ships was because they couldn't pinpoint their exact coordinates, or the risk of expending resources to send rescue vessels was deemed too great.

In the case of a cube disabled in the Nekrit Expanse, it was hit by a massive electrical surge. The surge likely disconnected the cube from the Hive immediately and it could have been enough of an deterrent to make the Borg think twice about sending another ship there (which could end up in the same situation).

In case of the Borg kids... they were simply speaking rejected by the Hive mind and because of the virus which disabled the that cube... it was simply detached like a deseased limb left to rot. Space is huge/vast.
I guess the Borg could have sent a ship to destroy that one... but with the original virus spreading through the cube via Icheb, its possible the Borg didn't want to risk the virus being replicated and sent over to another ship.

And in the case of the Vinculuum episode... well, I just guess a Borg ship never had an opportunity to come by yet... or the Hive mind would have discovered the initial plans for disrupting the collective when they assimilated the said species (as I suspect the pathogen would take time in attacking the cube which assimilated them).
So, again, it may have been seen like a diseased limb

There ARE explanations behind Borg's actions... i

 

[Christopher]

Well, we DO have evidence.
In TNG, when the ENT-D encountered renegade Borg and Lore, Geordi said the Borg established a network of TW conduits in the AQ.
Its possible these conduits are the same ones seen in use in Picard and later on in the 32nd century... just became neglected over time.

"It's possible" isn't proof, since other things are possible too. Think of it like a murder mystery. The Borg are a suspect, obviously, but that doesn't rule out other suspects.

 

[Deks]

"It's possible" isn't proof, since other things are possible too. Think of it like a murder mystery. The Borg are a suspect, obviously, but that doesn't rule out other suspects.

Yes, but which other species that was introduced in Trek would have the technology and resources to make TW conduits across the Alpha and Beta Quadrants?
The Q perhaps come to mind, but that would seem rather beneath them and likely low tech. Why bother? The Q don't need TW conduits after all (at least that we know of - and one would think the Q would take better care at removing those conduits after they left the stage in the 26th century).

The Borg renegades are the only ones mentioned in TNG who were actually described by Geordi they established a network of TW conduits in this part of the galaxy.
So, yeah, I'd say in the absence of other evidence, for now, the most likely possibility are the Renegade Borg in the late 24th century as the makers of those conduits.

Otherwise, its very likely the conduits themselves would have long degraded since then. In fact... those conduits in ST: Picard were rather slow compared to the ones in TNG... but that could be explained by Borg absence and lack of maintenance (no subspace TW manifolds which would maintain them... so a ship would probably have to enter periodically to maintain them).

Its possible that SF and UFP in general made use of them and found a way to stabilize them to prevent them from collapsing entirely.

 

[Christopher]

Yes, but which other species that was introduced in Trek would have the technology and resources to make TW conduits across the Alpha and Beta Quadrants?

What a meaningless question. The galaxy is immense. What we see on TV is the tiniest fraction of what must exist within it. And the very nature of episodic television is that new species and entities are constantly being introduced, and are frequently retconned into contexts where we never saw them before. So absence of evidence cannot possibly be taken as evidence of absence.

Besides, Trek has established countless civilizations far beyond humanity -- Organians, Thasians, Metrons, Melkot, Tkon, Iconians, you name it. Many of them had super-advanced transportation methods, so they or someone else at a similar level of advancement could certainly have set up some transwarp conduits -- and that's assuming they can't be a naturally occurring feature.

So, yeah, I'd say in the absence of other evidence, for now, the most likely possibility are the Renegade Borg in the late 24th century as the makers of those conduits.

Still only a possibility. In the absence of certainty, the thing to do is to keep one's mind open to all possibilities, not arbitrarily pick a winner. It's not a beauty contest.

Otherwise, its very likely the conduits themselves would have long degraded since then. In fact... those conduits in ST: Picard were rather slow compared to the ones in TNG... but that could be explained by Borg absence and lack of maintenance (no subspace TW manifolds which would maintain them... so a ship would probably have to enter periodically to maintain them).

All just possibility, not certainty. You can come up with rationalizations to "prove" any kind of nonsense, which is why trying to prove an idea right is going about it backward. You should only accept something as true if you fail to prove it wrong, if you rule out every other interpretation of the evidence. It's impossible to do that in a fictional universe where new entities and rules can be introduced with the stroke of a pen.

 

[NCC-73515]

ARMUS: I am alone.
TROI: Abandoned. Who deserted you?
ARMUS: Creatures whose beauty now dazzles all who see them. They would not exist without me.
TROI: You were together?
ARMUS: They perfected a means of bringing to the surface all that was evil and negative within. Erupting, spreading, connecting. In time it formed second skin, dank and vile.
TROI: You.
ARMUS: Yes.
TROI: They discarded you and left.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

ARMUS: I am alone.
TROI: Abandoned. Who deserted you?
ARMUS: Creatures whose beauty now dazzles all who see them. They would not exist without me.
TROI: You were together?
ARMUS: They perfected a means of bringing to the surface all that was evil and negative within. Erupting, spreading, connecting. In time it formed second skin, dank and vile.
TROI: You.
ARMUS: Yes.
TROI: They discarded you and left.

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I think that would make sense, and makes a good guess. ‪‪The reason ‪‪I don’t think it’s a possibility is the species that expelled Armus has been guessed a lot, and pretty recently Aaron Waltke said only one person had guessed correctly so far in response to someone guessing Murf is an “inverse” Armus.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Murf is definitely cute, but I wouldn't exactly call him "beautiful" or "dazzling".

 

[Danja]

There's something to be said for watching kids get into Trek for the first time.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Murf is definitely cute, but I wouldn't exactly call him "beautiful" or "dazzling".

I'm now kind of wondering if Armus was referring to the Risans with that statement.

Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and he really resembles the Sheliak a lot (which many of us once postulated were wayward Ba'ul). It would stand to reason if Armus thinks the Sheliak are "beautiful" and "dazzling" puddles of tar, just like him.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Paramount+’s press releases for this morning included the official episode description and writer/director for the finale of Prodigy Season 1A coming this Thursday, A Moral Star, Part 2.

Episode 110 – A Moral Star, Part 2 (Available to stream Thursday, February 3rd)

When the plan goes awry, the crew must improvise. Meanwhile, Gwyn discovers a dark truth that will forever jeopardize their quest toward salvation.

Written by: S1 Writers Room (Kevin & Dan Hageman, Julie Benson, Shawna Benson, Lisa Schultz Boyd, Nikhil S. Jayaram, Diandra Pendleton-Thompson, Chad Quandt, Aaron J. Waltke)

Directed by: Ben Hibon

 

[NCC-73515]

Murf is definitely cute, but I wouldn't exactly call him "beautiful" or "dazzling".

Murf could still be a kid like the others, and later become dazzling, but I do find him beautiful

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm now kind of wondering if Armus was referring to the Risans with that statement.

I doubt it. The Risans, as we've seen, are just another humanoid race. Nothing special about them, really. I'm definitely not seeing Armus having anything to do with them.

And DEFINITELY not anything to do with Murf.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Drella might be the answer. A simple explanation spoken in one scene of a TOS episode might be the solution to the mystery.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Drella? Hmmm... [Checks Memory Alpha] Wow, that's some obscure shit right there. And also very possible, based on the description.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

The Drella might be the answer. A simple explanation spoken in one scene of a TOS episode might be the solution to the mystery.

Drella? Hmmm... [Checks Memory Alpha] Wow, that's some obscure shit right there. And also very possible, based on the description.

It makes some sense right? ‪It seems like it fits all the hints we’ve been given so far.

 

[NCC-73515]

If the TOS computer already knew the Drella, Janeway should know them as well...

 

[Deks]

If the TOS computer already knew the Drella, Janeway should know them as well...

We don't know the extent to which holo Janeway's knowledge goes.
Then again, she only referred to Jankom as a Tellarite on one occasion and not once did she refer to Zero as a Medusan (at least that I recall).
So, even if she knows what species Murf is, no one really asked her (on-screen)... and Janeway being a Starfleet hologram likely wouldn't consider referring to a species as a species... but rather their name.

 

[cooleddie74]

TNG library computers didn't know about some phenomena experienced by the TOS Enterprise.

 

[Deks]

TNG library computers didn't know about some phenomena experienced by the TOS Enterprise.

Even though they should have.
But that could have also been due to the way how things were worded/described by crews when they documented their findings during TOS.
Its possible that while situations were similar, they weren't entirely identical... and who knows what went into the 'final captains log'.

EDIT: Still, given how smart and capable computer systems became by the 24th century... it should have been possible for them to at least 'make a connection' via extrapolation (which we know they are capable of).

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

A preview for Prodigy with some new footage, and some promo pics from S01E10 A Moral Star, Part 2 are now up at TrekMovie.

Right now I’m thinking that shot with Gwyn overlooking the shining cityscape may be a mental projection of her and The Diviner’s homeworld, Solum.