First Impressions

[ScottJ85]

why would i

consider this simpler example:

A, B and C are in a line. B is close to A, but C is far away from both.

A............B............................C

A turns on a lamp. It takes 5 s for the light to reach B, that's when B turns on a lamp as well.

A----------B.............................C

Now both light beams travel on and reach C 10 s later.

A----------B==============C

C sees both lamps turn on at the same time. Causality is gone! No, of course it isn't. Only from C's POV does it look that way. Every other POV can see that A was lit first and caused B to light up later.

well done, you’ve debunked physics forever

 

[NCC-73515]

well done, you’ve debunked physics forever

can you show me where I'm wrong?

 

[ScottJ85]

can you show me where I'm wrong?

why would I? You haven’t convinced me you’re right.

 

[NCC-73515]

why would I? You haven’t convinced me you’re right.

So you can't find anything wrong with the ABC example, but also aren't convinced of it? XD

Here's another example:
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-warp-killer-downside.amp

Can you figure out what they forgot about?

 

[No Grave Dug]

The difference being Jadzia, Kira and Janeway were simply far more interesting, building their own unique backstories vs. being a bolt-on to Spock's. I think the writer's robbed Sonequa Martin-Green of being able to build her own Trek legacy.

Hopefully, that changes with season three.

jadzia..interesting...DS9 spent two seasons giving the character little more than exposition; and using her as window dressing (and she was nice in that function to be sure) until the 19th episode of the second season DS9 - "Blood Oath" where she was suddenly seen to be able to go toe to toe with Klingons in combat -- And up to that episode she had ZERO backstory WRT having anything to do personally with any group of high ranking/well respected Klingon warriors of the Empire <--- It came straight out of the blue.

 

[Mrs. Silvercrest]

I have seen the first show only and I am unsure. Don't have the set or anything got to see it as a special feature on another show. I am a bit turned off on how they are doing the Klingons though.

 

[Damian]

I've just got Season 3 of Discovery on Blu-Ray and have just watched the first episode of the 3rd season for the first time. So I thought I'd bring up my First Impressions thread again like I did for seasons 1 and 2 to stay consistent (I am, after all, a continuity junkie).

First I'm actually glad they are in the 32nd century now. It opens the door to a lot more story development without having to try to jam it in 10 years before the original series and try to be consistent with it. Now that won't be an issue.

Now, in the 1st episode it's just Burnham and Book mostly. I have to say I think I'm really going to like the character of Book. Burnham has seem to adapted to her circumstances pretty quickly, though granted by necessity.

I also want to throw a shout out to Una McCormack's Discovery Novel, Wonderlands. I actually read that first, and I found it very helpful to getting started with season 3. She builds up a good foundation for what's happened to Burnham before she finds Discovery (since I saw the first episode so far I haven't seen Discovery yet, but obviously they'll meet up soon enough--some things are a given ). It also gives more information about Book and about what happened to the Federation, Starfleet and the Burn. Yet, while it did that, it was largely spoiler free. It just gave a lot of good background on what was going on so when I started watching Season 3 I wasn't mystified by what they meant by the Burn, and other things. So I could get right into the season itself and know what they were talking about.

Like I've done when I watched Picard and Lower Decks, I'll pace myself. I love having Star Trek episodes that will be completely new to me and I'd like to savor it as long as it lasts.

 

[Damian]

So I'm about halfway through the 3rd season when they find what's left of Starfleet at Headquarters. So far the 3rd season is my favorite of Discover, and actually I have to say it's my favorite of Kurtzman Trek. I found Lower Decks a bit disappointing and Picard was up and down for me. There were things I liked, and some things I didn't care for.

But this season of Discovery so far is looking pretty good. I like that they are far in the future. It opens a lot of things up for them. They can still tie things to the prime timeline but at the same time they have a lot of freedom to do what they want without having to try to shoehorn things in where maybe they don't always fit well.

I'll be curious to see if they discover the cause of the Burn and maybe find a way to reverse it. At this point that's all still a mystery though it sounds like they are going to start tackling that more in depth now. So we'll see.

But so far, a big thumbs up for S3.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I think it's time for us all to just accept that the entire timeline of "Star Trek" is Swiss cheese by now, and each series does whatever it wants in terms of tone.

Somehow, a campy 1960s scifi; a cheap '70s cartoon, with a Furry; a handful of typical '90s space operas; some gritty, modern, serialized dramas; and a wacky Adult Swim styled cartoon; all take place in the same universe. We can use our Trekkie brains to concoct some scientific explanation, or we can just accept it.

 

[fireproof78]

It's all one timeline told in dramatic fashion. It aren't that hard unless applying strict literalism.

 

[Jadeb]

All I know is that the future definitely involves sparkly clothes, Burke chairs and straight nacelles. Everything else is creative liberty.

 

[ScottJ85]

So you can't find anything wrong with the ABC example, but also aren't convinced of it? XD

Here's another example:
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-warp-killer-downside.amp

Can you figure out what they forgot about?

Now that this thread is back from the dead and I'm re-reading what I posted, I've been kind of a dick to you and I'm sorry.

 

[Damian]

Finished up the 3rd season last week. I thought the first half of the season was stronger. The mirror universe episodes kind of lost me. I know they had to get Georgio back to the past if they want to do a Section 31 show about her but it just seemed to take some of the air out of the room of everything I was liking about season 3 to that point.

Then the whole Osira storyline (sorry if I spelled her name wrong). Some of it was good but I'm not sure why every season of Discovery has to have some sort of epic battle/war going on.

I did like the storylines centered around the Burn, how it happened and how they resolved that more or less.

I found it interesting that they never returned to the starbase featured earlier in the season. Maybe season 4. That featured prominently in the novel Wonderlands but it seemed to be forgotten in the series (the novel focused on Burnham's time in the 32nd century before Discovery arrived). I did like Book's character a lot.

So I thought the first half of the season was great. Really enjoyed it. The 2nd half was good too, but not quite as good as the 1st half.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

I found it interesting that they never returned to the starbase featured earlier in the season.

Someone must have, given Sahil shows up at Starfleet Command in the finale.

 

[Damian]

Believe it or not I did sign up for Paramount+ and just started watching season 4.

Just watched the first episode. It appears some galactic crisis is on the horizon yet again. I have to admit I'm getting a little tired at the 'some disaster is going to wipe out entire civilizations, or even the galaxy' plot device. I think I'd rather see the Discovery on a mission to try to reconnect the Federation or something along those lines. I don't mind a crisis of the week episode. But entire seasons devoted to that? I don't know. We'll see how it plays out.

I did like the little nod to Enterprise when they revealed the Archer Station, even a little nod to the Enterprise score I noticed. That show has gotten a little more love in recent years and it's always nice to see it get acknowledged in some way.

 

[Vger23]

Finished up the 3rd season last week. I thought the first half of the season was stronger. The mirror universe episodes kind of lost me. I know they had to get Georgio back to the past if they want to do a Section 31 show about her but it just seemed to take some of the air out of the room of everything I was liking about season 3 to that point.

Then the whole Osira storyline (sorry if I spelled her name wrong). Some of it was good but I'm not sure why every season of Discovery has to have some sort of epic battle/war going on.

I did like the storylines centered around the Burn, how it happened and how they resolved that more or less.

I found it interesting that they never returned to the starbase featured earlier in the season. Maybe season 4. That featured prominently in the novel Wonderlands but it seemed to be forgotten in the series (the novel focused on Burnham's time in the 32nd century before Discovery arrived). I did like Book's character a lot.

So I thought the first half of the season was great. Really enjoyed it. The 2nd half was good too, but not quite as good as the 1st half.

It's funny how everyone has different tastes and a different sense of what is entertaining...I found the trip to the MU to be one of the high-points of what otherwise was the weakest of the 4 seasons thus far (although S4 is obviously incomplete).

Believe it or not I did sign up for Paramount+ and just started watching season 4.

Just watched the first episode. It appears some galactic crisis is on the horizon yet again. I have to admit I'm getting a little tired at the 'some disaster is going to wipe out entire civilizations, or even the galaxy' plot device. I think I'd rather see the Discovery on a mission to try to reconnect the Federation or something along those lines. I don't mind a crisis of the week episode. But entire seasons devoted to that? I don't know. We'll see how it plays out.

I did like the little nod to Enterprise when they revealed the Archer Station, even a little nod to the Enterprise score I noticed. That show has gotten a little more love in recent years and it's always nice to see it get acknowledged in some way.

I agree that they need to find some other plot device to drive their season-long story arcs. It's getting old. It's kind of like "24" with Kiefer Sutherland....I love the show, but how many times can one man be responsible for saving the world from some horrible terrorist threat? It just runs out of steam too fast and gets old. I thought they had something with the "Red Angel" mystery in S2...but that devolved into "Evil AI" very quickly unfortunately.

 

[Damian]

I agree that they need to find some other plot device to drive their season-long story arcs. It's getting old. It's kind of like "24" with Kiefer Sutherland....I love the show, but how many times can one man be responsible for saving the world from some horrible terrorist threat? It just runs out of steam too fast and gets old. I thought they had something with the "Red Angel" mystery in S2...but that devolved into "Evil AI" very quickly unfortunately.

And I'm sure season 2 of Picard will have some sort of galactic cataclysm they'll have to solve yet again.

Lower Decks is more episodic, more like the TNG era shows (some continuity but not season long story arcs), but I just don't care for it for some reason. It's supposed to be funny but most of the time it's just meh. And I'm almost ashamed to admit it at one point I got so bored with an episode I actually dozed off.

I just started watching Prodigy and despite it being geared more toward younger adults and older teens so far I like it a bit more than Lower Decks.

But with the live action shows I'm really growing tired of the disaster of the season. I'm starting to think maybe Earth had the right idea when we saw them in season 3, basically saying screw it all, we're not going back out there with all the crap that's going on.

 

[Vger23]

And I'm sure season 2 of Picard will have some sort of galactic cataclysm they'll have to solve yet again.

Lower Decks is more episodic, more like the TNG era shows (some continuity but not season long story arcs), but I just don't care for it for some reason. It's supposed to be funny but most of the time it's just meh. And I'm almost ashamed to admit it at one point I got so bored with an episode I actually dozed off.

I agree. I don't actively dislike LD, but it does virtually nothing for me. It's the only show in the entire franchise my wife won't watch with me, and I find the humor to be hit-or-miss at best. I do like all the Easter eggs and call-backs...that is the fun part for me. You can tell the writers and producers LOVE the franchise, and I think that is really nice. But the characters, format, stories, and humor are all kind of "take it or leave it." So, it's like TNG (which was never my favorite to begin with), but hyper-active and ridiculous, and with characters I really don't care about.

I never miss an episode, but I also wouldn't miss it for a second if it was canceled.

It's very popular with most people out here, though. I've come to accept that a lot of what I like about Star Trek is apparently very different than a lot of the online fan community.

I just started watching Prodigy and despite it being geared more toward younger adults and older teens so far I like it a bit more than Lower Decks.

I agree 100%. I feel like Prodigy, although not aimed at my demographic, is a far superior Star Trek outing. My family all love watching it, and I think it is a colorful and fun lighthearted adventure show with a ton of heart. The format of PRO is different enough from everything else that it feels worthwhile and fresh while still retaining enough of the franchise's DNA to be fun and have connectivity.

 

[Damian]

I do like all the Easter eggs and call-backs...that is the fun part for me.

Yeah, agree there. Just overall I've been disappointed with the show. I never expected to take it seriously but much of the time even the funnies fall flat for me. And I love comedies so it's not that I don't have a sense of humor.

It's very popular with most people out here, though. I've come to accept that a lot of what I like about Star Trek is apparently very different than a lot of the online fan community.

I've noticed that myself. I find my opinions about all the current shows don't seem to line up with the majority at least here. I mean, that's ok. We don't all have to agree. But I guess I'm a bit more old school. I kind of wish at least one of the live action shows would become a bit more episodic. Even if they went halfies and did something like DS9. There was some continuity and several episode arcs there, but it was still pretty episodic. And I love continuity so I don't mind the world building there. But it'd be nice to have a show where it wasn't some galactic crisis that took them an entire season to solve.

In a way, I suppose, Prodigy is sort of like that.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

I kind of wish at least one of the live action shows would become a bit more episodic.

SNW will be.