Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x06 - "Kobayashi"

[Deks]

They would be waiting on Chakotay. He'll be the one telling the cadets, "Do this" and "Do that".

They left Tars Lamora to ESCAPE from bondage. Tying themselves to Chakotay would means throwing themselves back into it.

Dal has just had a taste of power. I seriously doubt he's just going to casually stand aside.

The fact that the creator of Prodigy said 3 new character will join the Protostar (a SF Commander, a doctor and a SF cadet) points to the idea that Dal won't have a choice in the matter of whether or not he wants to be a cadet in training.

They left Tars Lamora to escape slavery and oppression. Hierarchy exists on a SF ship... and Dal won't be able to overrule a fully commissioned SF Commander.

Plus, Dal expects the other kids to follow his orders as a self-proclaimed captain? That's not bondage? He's already encountering resistance to that.

The kids (maybe not Dal specifically) would likely be more comfortable having someone who KNOWS what they're doing in charge of the Protostar.
Dal can develop his leadership skills in the interim

Protostar has a ship replicator. Chakotay might've just made himself a small ship, scuttled Protostar, and flown off to God-knows-where.

Could have indeed.
But that still leaves the option that he could be found at some point and re-assume temporary command of the Protostar until they return him to UFP.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

The fact that the creator of Prodigy said 3 new character will join the Protostar (a SF Commander, a doctor and a SF cadet) points to the idea that Dal won't have a choice in the matter of whether or not he wants to be a cadet in training.

‪‪I don’t believe we’ve gotten anything saying they’re going to serve on the Protostar. That’s a reasonable assumption/suggestion, for sure, and one that ‪‪I could see being how it goes down, but I think all we’ve been told is that we’re getting Commander Tysess, Dr. Noum and Ensign Asencia on the show, and most recently that they weren’t Chakotay’s previous crew, but there’s been nothing beyond that stated at this point.

If the Protostar was already launched and lost before 2383, then they could be part of a crew investigating their disappearance, they could be chaperones assigned to take care of Dal and the crew at some point. There are multiple possibilities on top of them joining the Protostar as present day crew members.

 

[Danja]

Only Gwyn was trained in ship operations it seems... but none of them have proper command experience or how to deal with situations - right now they are panicking quite a bit... and as fun as that can be to watch [such as hearing them scream exiting TransWarp], I don't think it can be maintained indefintiely.

Even PROFESSIONAL crews are emo now on Trek (Note the crying and wailing on Disco. Saturday Night Live skewered it!)

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[Deks]

‪‪I don’t believe we’ve gotten anything saying they’re going to serve on the Protostar. That’s a reasonable assumption/suggestion, for sure, and one that ‪‪I could see being how it goes down, but I think all we’ve been told is that we’re getting Commander Tysess, Dr. Noum and Ensign Asencia on the show, and most recently that they weren’t Chakotay’s previous crew, but there’s been nothing beyond that stated at this point.

If the Protostar was already launched and lost before 2383, then they could be part of a crew investigating their disappearance, they could be chaperones assigned to take care of Dal and the crew at some point. There are multiple possibilities on top of them joining the Protostar as present day crew members.

A SF crew sent to look for the Protostar would likely NOT allow a bunch of kids to remain in control of SF's experimental and technologically advanced starship that has a Proto-Core onboard.

Unless those 3 SF individuals are from another lost ship... but still, a trained commander allowing inexperienced Dal (and kids) who have 0 SF training to run a state of the art SF ship?
Call me crazy but I don't see that happening.

There's going to have to be major suspense of reason and logic for that to happen or the kids would have to overpower and imprison those 3 officers (which is possible, but doesn't seem likely, and could result in long term reprecussions for the kids if the ship goes back to UFP - which it might at some point).
And the writers said they aren't going to dumb things down for the real life kids who watch the show because they consider them to be fairly intelligent with a capability of figuring stuff out from available info.

Also, Prodigy is part of canon.

 

[Deks]

Even PROFESSIONAL crews are emo now (note the crying and wailing on Disco).

As emotional and dramatic Disco crew can be, they are still fully trained and commissioned SF officers who know how to control their own ship.

Also, this is the 24th century... not the 32nd (the Disco crew was definitelyportrayed as more capable in the 23rd century).

Its unlikely SF would allow a bunch of kids to remain in control of the Protostar.

If this was an alternate universe in which UFP didn't exist, and the ship never got back to its own reality and Federation space (or encountered fully trained SF officers), then yes, the kids could remain in control of the ship... and even try to get it back to its own universe perhaps to UFP at some point of their own volition if they found UFP values etc. to be something 'desirable'

 

[Danja]

If this was an alternate universe in which UFP didn't exist, and the ship never got back to Federation space (or encountered fully trained SF officers), then yes, the kids could remain in control of the ship... and even try to get it back to its own universe perhaps to UFP at some point.

They may be going back out into the Delta Quadrant (The title of the arc finale "A Moral Star" is an anagram of Tars Lamora -- the place where the series began. They may be going back there.)

 

[Deks]

They may be going back out into the Delta Quadrant (The title of the arc finale "A Moral Star" is an anagram of Tars Lamora -- the place where the series began. They may be going back there.)

In episodes 9 and 10 perhaps (that's only half of Season 1)... and if that's the case, probably to liberate the enslaved species there and maybe find Chakotay (if he's still alive).
That is IF the Protostar goes back to Tars Lamora.
The title may be anagram for Tars Lamora, but we have 0 evidence as of now to confirm the premise the ship will go back there (although its definitely possible).

Again, if at some point we do see those 3 Starfleet trained and commissioned officers encounter the Protostar, it is highly unlikely that the kids would remain in control of it. At that point, I think they will become SF cadets in training.

 

[Tuskin38]

Even PROFESSIONAL crews are emo now on Trek

And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Also no one has really done it in Season 4, other than Book, but, he's not Starfleet

 

[ToddCam]

The discussion from a few pages back made me consider something I kind of thought throughout my time as a Trek fan. Registry numbers seem to generally go up as time passes, but there's some weird outliers. My thinking is that the registry number is a production number, assigned when plans begin to add the ship to the fleet. Like, I assume that the original UFP Enterprise was the 1701st ship to be given a number, but not necessarily the 1701st to complete construction or even begin physical construction. In fact, it could have been on the books for decades before launching in 2245 (or whenever if that's not canon).

And then due to changing sensibilities and politics, over times Starfleet could have done wacky things. Could Kirk's trial thing in STIV resulted in them doing the first -A designation and retroactively changing a ship's registry number? And maybe the ship that became Enterprise-B was originally supposed to be the USS Ferris Bueller but then they decided to retire the original Enterprise, and renamed it USS Enterprise NCC-11111, but then Enterprise-A showed up and retired, and they decided to keep the new tradition? I know that due to file footage, the second Defiant-class starship Defiant (originally the Sao Paulo) was rechristened with the exact same registry number of the original (NX-74205), but Sao Paulo had a different registry number (NCC-75633).

Fun minutiae, but not too much to worry about.

 

[DEWLine]

The Constellation has a lower registry number(NCC-1017) than the Shenzhou(NCC-1223) when the former is clearly a much newer and more advanced starship design.

Are we still ignoring that old TOS writers' bible stuff saying that the Constitutions were already around for at least twenty years by Kirk's time as captain?

Because of that writers' bible stuff, I'm now thinking that there's been more than one block of Constitution-class ships built, and that April, Pike and Kirk's Enterprise was part of the second batch. Decker's Constellation might've been from the first one.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes, but that still makes the Constellation from circa 2245 and that's still many years if not decades younger than the Shenzhou.

 

[Deks]

Yes, but that still makes the Constellation from circa 2245 and that's still many years if not decades younger than the Shenzhou.

Why decades?
They could have been built around the same time frame... within same decade (or 5 years) in fact.

SF had 7000 active ships by mid 23rd century (per Control's admission in Disco S2).
Obviously SF massively increased its ship construction facilities by the 24th century by which time they could easily be making 1000 ships per year in peace time... or have the capacity to upscale this many times over if they have to replace a whole fleet of ships in a short time frame (such as after a major skirmish or a war).

In the 23rd century, instead of making say 1000 ships every year, they could have been making about 100 or 200 ships per year... slowly ramping up production over time as more member species join, or more resources are acquired (though space is already vast and the SOL system asteroid fields have massive amounts of raw material that could make a ridiculous number of ships across centuries) - heck, just harvesting Mercury would have been enough to construct a Dyson Swarm in a decade or two using full blown automation and self-replicating construction bots because of exponential construction rates.

So, these ships could easily be a few years apart for all we know... they're just some of the older/early models that were made when UFP was comprised of fewer members.

 

[ToddCam]

Constellation could have been assigned the 1017 registry number well before Constitution was conceived, maybe even supposed to be the original prototype for the Constellation-class, then production stalled, and at some point plans changed and it was built as a Constitution. Then decades later, a new Constellation launched as the prototype of a new class.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

A SF crew sent to look for the Protostar would likely NOT allow a bunch of kids to remain in control of SF's experimental and technologically advanced starship that has a Proto-Core onboard.

Unless those 3 SF individuals are from another lost ship... but still, a trained commander allowing inexperienced Dal (and kids) who have 0 SF training to run a state of the art SF ship?
Call me crazy but I don't see that happening.

There's going to have to be major suspense of reason and logic for that to happen or the kids would have to overpower and imprison those 3 officers (which is possible, but doesn't seem likely, and could result in long term reprecussions for the kids if the ship goes back to UFP - which it might at some point).
And the writers said they aren't going to dumb things down for the real life kids who watch the show because they consider them to be fairly intelligent with a capability of figuring stuff out from available info.

Also, Prodigy is part of canon.

I would agree with pretty much all that, I’m not suggesting they’re going to overpower Federation officers, or that the Federation officers will just give the ship to the kids.

I’m just saying we don’t know the details of the characters on the show. For instance, it may be some time before the Federation crew members we know are coming to the show interact with our crew. When we first meet Tysess, Asencia and Noum they could be on a parallel path, looking for the Protostar, or on some mission, and we don’t see a them actually interact with the kids for a while.

Maybe we’ll see them introduced in the next four episodes, and then meet the kids in the next ten, and as you say, they could absolutely end up shaking up the dynamic a lot, with them taking over the ship, and depending on the situation, maybe starting to train the kids.

‪‪I think what you’re suggesting is fairly likely to happen in some fashion, at some point in the series, but maybe not right away. And no matter what, ‪‪I think you’re right, that sooner or later they’re going to meet up with Federation folks, and that the writers are going to have to reckon that into the concept of the show.

I’m in total agreement that they’re not going to dumb it down, and it’ll make sense. Like you say, it’s canon, and the creators aren’t underestimating their audiences.

 

[Danja]

Mind ... Blown.

The rock music at the end was a nice homage to Star Trek: Beyond.

 

[Commander Troi]

USS Ferris Bueller

Captained by Alan Ruck's character!

 

[Danja]

USS Ferris Bueller

Comm Officer: "Hailing frequencies open, Sir."
Captain: "Bueller? Bueller? BUELLER?"


Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Captained by Alan Ruck's character!

Make that Captain Harriman Short Trek so!

Comm Officer: "Hailing frequencies open, Sir."
Captain: "Bueller? Bueller? BUELLER?"

That’s excellent.

 

[Commander Troi]

Comm Officer: "Hailing frequencies open, Sir."
Captain: "Bueller? Bueller? BUELLER?"

"He won't be aboard until Tuesday."

 

[Vger23]

This is such a great little show. I continue to be surprised by just how much I enjoy this so far. This episode was a home run, and so lovingly done.

And, as I love to mention, my sons (7 and 10 years old) absolutely love it, and it’s one of the best “watch it together as a family” shows that we have.

10/10 and the first such rating I’ve ever given to an animated Star Trek.