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[STEPhon IT]

If people are engaging with Star Trek then it is not a waste. But, I suppose that's a question all have to consider.

A lot of these issues I have with these productions could simply be resolved by just establishing it has zero connection with TOS, and these pile of dog sh*t is a re-imagination which is separate from what I love. JJ Abrams did that so well and I still love most of his universe, Beyond was the exception.

 

[fireproof78]

A lot of these issues I have with these productions could simply be resolved by just establishing it has zero connection with TOS, and these pile of dog sh*t is a re-imagination which is separate from what I love. JJ Abrams did that so well and I still love most of his universe, Beyond was the exception.

Then don't love it. It is always allowed to have artistic and creative license inside a property. This isn't an insult to past loves-this is art.

TOS is a touchstone and they are working within it and showing their love in a different way. Just because it isn't the way we would do it as fans doesn't make it less valid.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The issue with Pike and Kirk together isn't the line "I met him when he was promoted to Fleet Captain". Everyone meets their friends for the first time at some point. This issue is Mendez asking the question in the first place. That implies that the two men serving together isn't in their service records, which we assume Mendez had read. If there is a plausible excuse as to why Mendez doesn't know where Kirk and Pike have served previously, then we are all clear in canon to have them serve together. .

One could always excuse Mendez's line because he was a figment of the Talosian's mind control over Kirk. But anyway, that's beside the point.

 

[Iamnotspock]

One could always excuse Mendez's line because he was a figment of the Talosian's mind control over Kirk.

Not at that point.

 

[Mudd]

If they find it entertaining enough they won't 'turn on it' due to continuity violations - Hell STII:TWoK is proof at that.

Yep.

Some STD fans have this strawman critic they like to pretend represents the Trek audience who find the Burnham show lacking - like the problem is with infidelity to details of continuity.

That's not why most people don't bother with the show. If a show can tell good stories with some competence, in an entertaining way, very few people will fret the details.

STD has rarely managed that for as much as a week. People dislike and make fun of it because it's lame, dumb TV.

 

[Lord Garth]

A lot of SNW Fans are also going to be DSC Fans, most likely the majority. It's not a good idea to keep antagonizing us. Especially if you want some of us on your side when the Bashers and Haters of it start coming at SNW, like they've done with DSC and PIC. You probably don't want some of us on your side, but I'm just putting that out there.

A little fence-mending will go a long way.

That's not why most people don't bother with the show. If a show can tell good stories with some competence, in an entertaining way, very few people will fret the details.

You thought ENT was good. It didn't stop the people who hated that show from tearing it apart. Likewise, the Kelvin Films.

 

[Campe]

I’ve got no problem with valid criticism. And if one finds the quality of the show lacking, that’s fairly valid. We all have our franchises or entries in said franchises we aren’t that into. At the same time (and I know it’s not all here), but if you find it that lacking, why do you comment? Even more so, why do you watch? I honestly don’t understand that.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I can't speak for anyone else, but in the past year I've made three posts in the Disco forum. And one was a reply to a reply to a post I made in 2019. As far as watching, I put the episodes on because I'm paying for the service. However, of the seven episodes this season, I've watched exactly one in its entirety. The others I either didn't finish or skipped over huge boring chunks or had on as background noise as I was doing something else. So I barely watch and really only comment when it comes up in other discussion, like here.

A lot of SNW Fans are also going to be DSC Fans, most likely the majority. It's not a good idea to keep antagonizing us.

 

[Campe]

I can't speak for anyone else, but in the past year I've made three posts in the Disco forum. And one was a reply to a reply to a post I made in 2019. As far as watching, I put the episodes on because I'm paying for the service. However, of the seven episodes this season, I've watched exactly one in its entirety. The others I either didn't finish or skipped over huge boring chunks or had on as background noise as I was doing something else. So I barely watch and really only comment when it comes up in other discussion, like here.

I’m speaking more of the people who go out of their way to hate watch and then put people down for watching something. I can’t say that I’ve necessarily noticed anything that falls into that category from you. Others? Yes.

 

[fireproof78]

I’ve got no problem with valid criticism. And if one finds the quality of the show lacking, that’s fairly valid. We all have our franchises or entries in said franchises we aren’t that into. At the same time (and I know it’s not all here), but if you find it that lacking, why do you comment? Even more so, why do you watch? I honestly don’t understand that.

Same. I find DSC more in line with past Trek stories than most but I would not expect everyone to agree. More than that, if a show brings no enjoyment I would expect people to stop watching. This is just logical to me.

 

[Lord Garth]

The thing that I think is really lame is not accepting that people have different tastes.

 

[fireproof78]

Or that Star Trek can have more than one type of storytelling.

 

[UssGlenn]

Discovery has made good strides towards quality in seasons 3 and 4. The early behind the scenes drama handicapped it dreadfully. I'm hoping SNW will be able to start at the level Discovery is now. One of Discovery's biggest issues was not sticking the landing on the season arc, and that's something SNW doesn't have to worry about.

Let's just say I have faith of the heart.

 

[dupersuper]

I’ve got no problem with valid criticism. And if one finds the quality of the show lacking, that’s fairly valid. We all have our franchises or entries in said franchises we aren’t that into. At the same time (and I know it’s not all here), but if you find it that lacking, why do you comment? Even more so, why do you watch? I honestly don’t understand that.

In my case: because despite my issues there's still good stuff in there (like several characters and most of the actors), because the shows I've had issues with (Discovery and Picard) would have to get much worse before I could bring myself to stop watching Star Trek, because I want to be up to date for discussions on this board and references both in universe (on Short Treks, Lower Decks, Prodigy, the upcoming Strange New Worlds, books, comics, etc.) and in pop culture, because if I stopped watching any show I had any issue/s with eventually I'd stop watching everything (Hell, I would've stopped watching Trek long ago after Homeward or Author, Author or Dear Doctor or...), because I find Discovery's getting better every season, because the first few episodes of Picard - before the bloody pandemic got in the way - was a show my friends and I watched together, because I still love the Star Trek universe too much to leave...

 

[fireproof78]

I'll never understand this idea that not watching the latest iteration means leaving a franchise.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'll never understand this idea that not watching the latest iteration means leaving a franchise.

I haven't watched most of DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC, LDS, and none of Prodigy. Loved ST09 and STiD, not so hot on STB. I still feel I'm a hardcore, first generation Trek fan though, who is very much looking forward to PIC S2 and SNW.

 

[Mudd]

I don't watch the bad shit. Don't care if it's called "Star Trek."

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm actually being serious. I want to put an end to this. I'm not saying we should become besties or anything like that, just that I don't want us to be at each other all the time anymore. No, I'm not blameless, and I apologize for that, but I want to start moving passed it.

You don't like DSC, I do, but we can agree to disagree. I want us to just to be able to shake hands on it, and maybe we can both like SNW. We can't do anything about before, but maybe we can do something about moving forward.

Isn't Star Trek about overcoming differences?

@The Old Mixer said I hadn't set a good example six months ago. I want to change that. I want to do right what I did wrong before. Let's at least make an effort to meet each other half-way. That also goes for anyone else I've disagreed with over the past four years. This hasn't been working, so let's try something else. I mean let's try it for real.

I've had an epiphany -- it's a long story -- and I want to do something different. If other people don't want to do something different, I'll just kill them with kindness.

If you want Star Trek rebooted, why don't we try rebooting things here as well?

We're here, we're going to be here, we might as well make the best of it.

EDITED TO ADD: And yes, it's not lost on me that the above post illustrates why I would like Burhnam so much.

 

[Dukhat]

I happen to like DSC. I simply don't find it a realistic prequel to TOS.

I didn't care for PIC at all. I found it to be more of the Stewart And Spiner Show like all four of the TNG films were, I don't particularly like how they've developed the character of Picard, and I thought the plot of the Romulans destroying their own rescue fleet because some androids were helping to build it to be completely nonsensical.

I like LDS. I can't stand the Mary Sue nature of Beckett Mariner, and I find her annoying as hell. But I love the other characters and, like The Orville, the juvenile humor got more bearable over time. The TNG-ish feel of the show is great.

I like Prodigy. It's an original non-Trek premise but with just the right amount of Trek and mystery to keep me interested. And for a kid's show, it's pretty deep.

I am looking forward to SNW, if only because of the episodic nature of the show and the apparently closer link to TOS than DSC had. I still think having a Noonian-Singh as a character is stupid, but I'll reserve my judgment until I see the show.

 

[ToddCam]

I'll never understand this idea that not watching the latest iteration means leaving a franchise.

What would leaving a franchise even entail? Deciding to not consider yourself a fan anymore?