Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x07 - "…But to Connect"

[Lakenheath 72]

Watching the episode, hearing Zora thanking Commander Stamets for reaching towards her, I thought back to "The Way to Eden" where reaching out to others was stressed throughout the episode and how at the end Kirk said, "We reach, Mister Spock." That old episode had its flaws, but this idea of reaching towards others has resonated with me since I first saw it.

 

[NCC-73515]

The vote scene actually reminded me of Lincoln - it was similarly exciting to watch it unfold, even if much shorter and less historically relevant, of course. Who would've thought any comparisons with Disco and something like Lincoln would ever occur

Those BTS pictures of the vote logos show:

Against action:
Known: 2 Ferengi, 1 Kwejian, 3 Ni'Var, 1 Aamaarazan (sic), 1 Trill, 1 Cardassia, 1 Risa, 1 Androia (sic)
Unknown: 3 Federation, 2 Ckaptir, 2 Schlerm, 1 Hornish, 1 Facian

For action:
Known: 1 Earth and Titan, 2 Trill, 2 Lurian, 1 Orion, 2 Androia (sic), 2 Osnullus, 3 Ni'Var, 1 Ferengi, 1 Cardassia
Unknown: 5 Federation, 2 Insectioid, 2 Sarrotheyn, 1 Facian, 1 Alshain, 2 Hornish, 2 Deakohn

Aamaarazan is probably the Aammazaran from TVH and TUC, and Androia must be Andoria.

Ni'Var got 6 votes; Trill, Ferengi, Andoria, and Hornish all got 3 votes; Cardassia, Asnullus, Ckaptir, Schlerm, Facian, Sarrotheyn, and Deakohn got 2 votes; and Risa, Earth, Lurian, Orion, Alshain just got 1 vote.

That would make Ni'Var the most powerful planet, and it would make the Ferengi and Andorians more powerful than Cardassia and Earth.

8 Federation votes are perhaps from the council, not individual planets (?!)
Insectoids could be the Xindi!

Unless I missed something, Tarka is native to our universe. The "home" he refers to is the seemingly paradisal universe he and his buddy aspired to escape to.

What if it's the nexus!

Waiting for Zora to create a holographic interface. Ala andromeda.. Have her go on away missions..

Or an analogue hallucinella

but why omit the franchises most recognizable alien race.

Because they made it unrecognizable

Cardassian makeup looks great. Exactly what I'd expect/want from something old, updated. Making the pointy bits more 3D is very Disco. I am indifferent on upsizing the spoons. All in all, this is a completely inoffensive update and I'm all for it!

New Cardassians are to Old Cardassians as TNG Klingons are to TUC Klingons, in terms of makeup craziness.

Basically unchanged, just enhanced and given more surface texture. I like it a lot. This is how you update Legacy makeup from the TNG Era!

Exactly. This is the right approach. And update with HD and 4K etc. in mind, but nothing extreme. More resolution, more detail, but no changes in basic features.

 

[Mr Awe]

This episode was pretty bad. The first half of the season ended with a whimper. Lots of talking. Actually, two sets of talking.

Really? They're just going to vote on the war strategy?! No way would they arrive at a consensus so quickly. And that's not how those things are done anyway. Not asking huge numbers of delegates to decide on an open-ended question. But, skipping that impracticality, really, this being ST, it was only going to be to try to contact the unknown species first. So, lots of yip yap really with no purpose than to use up airtime.

The talk about Zora was a bit more interesting. I thought the solution that Zora was not an AI but a new species was creative. And Stamets was right on about it was harder to trust Zora when she didn't trust them enough to give them the coordinates. The fact that this wasn't immediately apparent to everyone else in the room really make them look incompetent.

So, Zora gives them the coordinates, but no one asks about the species? WTF?! Completely lame to not include some of that information.

The 6-week break within the season is extremely disappointing. Just run the season straight through.

Bad choice to have the mid-season finale to be a bunch of talking and no reveals about the unknown species. It gets a big fat F, or 5/10.

 

[Mr Awe]

And if the fallout is 10-C retaliates by sending 20 DMAs? That would be much worse than just 1 DMA. How would Starfleet stop 20 DMAs sent on purpose to wipe out the Federation? And if you do destroy the DMA, you can't try diplomacy later. No, there is no guarantee that diplomacy works but if it doesn't work, you can always fallback to destroying the DMA. But if diplomacy does work, then you are good. So the logical course of action is to try diplomacy first.

Yes, that's exactly correct. Especially when you have the coordinates and a ship that can Spore jump there instantaneously. You can quickly try that option to see how it works.

If they didn't have the coordinates, that's a different story!

 

[dupersuper]

Give Discovery a time limit then. They have a certain amount of time to make contact. If not they will use the weapon

Surely the time limit's not up to them. They have until the DMA is about to hit a populated area too big to evacuate.

 

[NCC-73515]

The talk about Zora was a bit more interesting. I thought the solution that Zora was not an AI but a new species was creative. And Stamets was right on about it was harder to trust Zora when she didn't trust them enough to give them the coordinates. The fact that this wasn't immediately apparent to everyone else in the room really make them look incompetent.

So, Zora gives them the coordinates, but no one asks about the species? WTF?! Completely lame to not include some of that information.

It was similar to Picard's argument in Measure of a Man: Data is not just a device, but could be seen as a new lifeform with rights.
Why would Zora know anything about the 10C themselves?

 

[dinzy]

The vote scene actually reminded me of Lincoln - it was similarly exciting to watch it unfold, even if much shorter and less historically relevant, of course. Who would've thought any comparisons with Disco and something like Lincoln would ever occur

Those BTS pictures of the vote logos show:

Against action:
Known: 2 Ferengi, 1 Kwejian, 3 Ni'Var, 1 Aamaarazan (sic), 1 Trill, 1 Cardassia, 1 Risa, 1 Androia (sic)
Unknown: 3 Federation, 2 Ckaptir, 2 Schlerm, 1 Hornish, 1 Facian

For action:
Known: 1 Earth and Titan, 2 Trill, 2 Lurian, 1 Orion, 2 Androia (sic), 2 Osnullus, 3 Ni'Var, 1 Ferengi, 1 Cardassia
Unknown: 5 Federation, 2 Insectioid, 2 Sarrotheyn, 1 Facian, 1 Alshain, 2 Hornish, 2 Deakohn

Aamaarazan is probably the Aammazaran from TVH and TUC, and Androia must be Andoria.

Ni'Var got 6 votes; Trill, Ferengi, Andoria, and Hornish all got 3 votes; Cardassia, Asnullus, Ckaptir, Schlerm, Facian, Sarrotheyn, and Deakohn got 2 votes; and Risa, Earth, Lurian, Orion, Alshain just got 1 vote.

That would make Ni'Var the most powerful planet, and it would make the Ferengi and Andorians more powerful than Cardassia and Earth.

8 Federation votes are perhaps from the council, not individual planets (?!)
Insectoids could be the Xindi!



What if it's the nexus!


Or an analogue hallucinella


Because they made it unrecognizable



Exactly. This is the right approach. And update with HD and 4K etc. in mind, but nothing extreme. More resolution, more detail, but no changes in basic features.

Ni'Var has 2 species. I could see each species getting 3 votes. Was the vote split Vulcan/Romulan?

 

[Photoman15]

Ni'Var has 2 species. I could see each species getting 3 votes. Was the vote split Vulcan/Romulan?

Then technically, Ni'Var has three species.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Pure Star Trek and no unexplainable flaws and mistakes.

A 10 for me.

 

[Tuskin38]

but no one asks about the species?

Because they don't know what they are.

Insectoids could be the Xindi!

The emblem is based off a Xindi symbol.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I just caught something: This episode makes reference to the President of United Earth. Since ENT featured an Earth official who was a Minister (Nathan Samuels), it would seem that DSC is following the novelverse's interpretation - that United Earth is a parliamentary republic, with a President as head of state, and a Prime Minister as head of government (if Earth has Ministers, it must therefore also have a Prime Minister).

Nice touch, that.

 

[Tuskin38]

I just caught something: This episode makes reference to the President of United Earth. Since ENT featured an Earth official who was a Minister (Nathan Samuels), it would seem that DSC is following the novelverse's interpretation - that United Earth is a parliamentary republic, with a President as head of state, and a Prime Minister as head of government (if Earth has Ministers, it must therefore also have a Prime Minister).

Nice touch, that.

Or you know, the government changed over the last 900 years.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or you know, the government changed over the last 900 years.

Perhaps.

But I like to keep things simple. Until we specifically hear about a change, it doesn't exist.

Besides, as far as I'm concerned, the more novelverse bits make it into canon, the better.

 

[Tuskin38]

Xindi Insectoid?
https://twitter.com/MikeJF/status/1476998323542237184

The voting symbol is the one that is similar to Xindi emblem from Enterprise, and says Insectoid below it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's probably going to be like in the '70s Planet of the Apes sequels (hear me out and read the rest!) where the apes that actually had lines had better, more flexible makeup.

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[cooleddie74]

If that's a Xindi-Insectoid that's a good compromise. Retaining the insect-like head and overall appearance without resorting to CGI to recreate their 2003-04 look. This would be the first Xindi-Insectoid that wasn't created inside a computer.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If that's a Xindi-Insectoid that's a good compromise. Retaining the insect-like head and overall appearance without resorting to CGI to recreate their 2003-04 look. This would be the first Xindi-Insectoid that wasn't created inside a computer.

Wait the computer has a bug in it?

 

[cooleddie74]

Ever see the CGI in Babylon 5?

[*Runs*]

 

[Noname Given]

Ever see the CGI in Babylon 5?

[*Runs*]

Yes I have played a few video games on an Amiga (3000 & 4000) over this decades.

 

[cooleddie74]

I loved Londo Kart 64.