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News Strange New Worlds casting/new characters

Rogue One had the overbridge on the Death Star look exactly the same, just with better lighting effects, 40 years later. Same for Yavin's Rebel command center. Time difference isn't the same for sets like it is for actors. You can recreate a set that you can't do with an actor (short of, again, expensive CGI).

So I view it as a conscious design change by the producers, and fans are free to have fan explanations to explain those changes. Nothing wrong with that.
Star Wars designs hold up a hell of a lot better than TOS's.

Most of the TOS movie designs also hold up better than TOS.
 
Rogue One had the overbridge on the Death Star look exactly the same, just with better lighting effects, 40 years later. Same for Yavin's Rebel command center. Time difference isn't the same for sets like it is for actors. You can recreate a set that you can't do with an actor (short of, again, expensive CGI).

The tech in Star Wars, having a movie-budget and being created over 10 years later, looked a lot better and less campy than the very, very 1960s TOS tech with all its brightly coloured, blinky lights...
Plus Star Wars, at least the original trilogy has that "used future" aesthetic, which gives it a more timeless feel.
And the technology in Star Wars is just window-dressing, while Star Trek always paid a lot more attention to its technology.
 
The actor change can't be helped (barring extremely expensive CGI). The bridge set can, and they made a choice not to recreate it.

Because it would be like making the modern Batman films look like the Adam West series. The TOS bridge was always impressionistic anyway, with blinky lights flashing on and off in random sequence that served no logical purpose as any possible kind of instrumentation. Once they had a budget in TMP, they jumped at the chance to revise and reinterpret the vision. The 1960s scenery made appearances in deliberately nostalgic scenes and tongue-in-cheek anniversary specials aimed at fans but it would never cut it in a modern HD high-budget series chasing a broader audience.

Star Wars can get away with it because...
Star Wars designs hold up a hell of a lot better than TOS's.
...and because it's a fantasy set A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away, and there's nothing to say that it should look anything like an extrapolation of any possible future. Trek is a different thing, and I suspect Roddenberry would shake his head in bemusement at some fans' desire to square-peg the franchise into a stiflingly retrograde 1960s vision of the 23rd century. The broad strokes are there, the details are just scenery.
 
Trek is a different thing, and I suspect Roddenberry would shake his head in bemusement at some fans' desire to square-peg the franchise into a stiflingly retrograde 1960s vision of the 23rd century. The broad strokes are there, the details are just scenery.
Exactly. What was attempted to do in the 60s of extrapolating a future for humanity was not meant to be binding in anyway. But, what fandom did was latch on so tightly as to make any potential changes nearly impossible without some measure of explanation. Which basically means that the details have become more important than the story.
 
Because it would be like making the modern Batman films look like the Adam West series. The TOS bridge was always impressionistic anyway, with blinky lights flashing on and off in random sequence that served no logical purpose as any possible kind of instrumentation. Once they had a budget in TMP, they jumped at the chance to revise and reinterpret the vision. The 1960s scenery made appearances in deliberately nostalgic scenes and tongue-in-cheek anniversary specials aimed at fans but it would never cut it in a modern HD high-budget series chasing a broader audience.

Star Wars can get away with it because...

...and because it's a fantasy set A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away, and there's nothing to say that it should look anything like an extrapolation of any possible future. Trek is a different thing, and I suspect Roddenberry would shake his head in bemusement at some fans' desire to square-peg the franchise into a stiflingly retrograde 1960s vision of the 23rd century. The broad strokes are there, the details are just scenery.
I'm not really interested in what Roddenberry would have thought, as with all due respect to his work in creating the franchise, it moved beyond him long ago. He didn't like the TOS films like Wrath of Khan for example.

Ironic you mention the 1960s Batman since the Schumacher films arguably made Batman films look like the West series, stylistically anyway.

The TOS bridge can be updated to include meaningful LCARS type displays. As it was, the movie bridge wasn't much better and actually looks more dated than the TOS ones due to the Apple II era wireframe graphics on the CRT displays, etc.

Regardless, I'm not advocating that Strange New Worlds use the TOS bridge. A minor refit mentioned in dialogue before the ship is handed off to Kirk seems reasonable enough, and I don't know why people would be against that. But I think they shouldn't go into the TOS era and start overwriting that. Go to the movie era if they must.
 
Exactly. What was attempted to do in the 60s of extrapolating a future for humanity was not meant to be binding in anyway. But, what fandom did was latch on so tightly as to make any potential changes nearly impossible without some measure of explanation. Which basically means that the details have become more important than the story.
Heck, it was Gene's Vision™, that the TOS Adventures as we saw on TV were exaggerated, not intended to be the exact way they happened. I think the TMP novel even had them as in-universe stories?
 
A minor refit mentioned in dialogue before the ship is handed off to Kirk seems reasonable enough, and I don't know why people would be against that.

Because they're going to want to use the SNW bridge or a variation of it for Kirk and Spock when they get there.
 
Pretty shortly the new continuity will begin overwriting the TOS version of the Kirk era. Within a few years, I'd say.

I suspect we will see a series run concurrently with TOS, with episodes set in between TOS episodes. And if they want to do a direct follow up to a TOS episode they will just so a "Previously On" with the original 1960s footage just like they did on Discovery with "The Cage". The opportunity to do a 5 year mission launch episode, and a proper TOS series finale is too tempting to pass up.
 
I suspect we will see a series run concurrently with TOS, with episodes set in between TOS episodes. And if they want to do a direct follow up to a TOS episode they will just so a "Previously On" with the original 1960s footage just like they did on Discovery with "The Cage". The opportunity to do a 5 year mission launch episode, and a proper TOS series finale is too tempting to pass up.
While there might be fan interest in this sort of thing, I'm not sure why the producers/writers would be interested in doing this. Unlike the Pike captaincy, this period is already crowded and would be creatively stifling trying to write new stories in for a full fledged tv show.
 
I'm not really interested in what Roddenberry would have thought, as with all due respect to his work in creating the franchise, it moved beyond him long ago. He didn't like the TOS films like Wrath of Khan for example.

Yeah, that's fair.

Ironic you mention the 1960s Batman since the Schumacher films arguably made Batman films look like the West series, stylistically anyway.

Arguably and stylistically, yes.

Regardless, I'm not advocating that Strange New Worlds use the TOS bridge. A minor refit mentioned in dialogue before the ship is handed off to Kirk seems reasonable enough, and I don't know why people would be against that.

I wouldn't be. It serves the same function as the refit line in TMP and is the kind of lampshady thing they'd do.

The TOS bridge can be updated to include meaningful LCARS type displays. As it was, the movie bridge wasn't much better and actually looks more dated than the TOS ones due to the Apple II era wireframe graphics on the CRT displays, etc.

That's pretty much what they've done isn't it? Schumacher Batman-style.
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But I think they shouldn't go into the TOS era and start overwriting that. Go to the movie era if they must.

I think that starship has sailed.
 
While there might be fan interest in this sort of thing, I'm not sure why the producers/writers would be interested in doing this. Unlike the Pike captaincy, this period is already crowded and would be creatively stifling trying to write new stories in for a full fledged tv show.

They'll just write new stories anyway. The extent to which they have to pay attention to the niceties of continuity diminishes more with each passing year.
 
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