I wouldn't know, I'm not one of the cool kids.
Yes, please. I very much want more of Dafne Keen's Laura!
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So, it's pretty much confirmed the MCU's pulling a Star Wars Legends routine - the characters we've seen in Marvel TV shows (as opposed to MCU TV/streaming shows) are variants, although some do look the same as -
Hawkeye's married to Mockingbird and it's not Adrianne Palicki
Laura could easily just be one of two (or more) people who held that moniker. There's nothing in Hawkeye to suggest otherwise.
Heck, Clint and Kate are both Hawkeye, so there you go. Also, within the past year, we've seen the Captain America name adopted by both John Walker (temporarily) and Sam Wilson. And the Ant-Man and Wasp titles have both been handed down from one generation to the next, while Black Panther has been handed down through many generations.
True.
Or be a straight recast I suppose.
but as far as I know, Agent 19 is Bobbi Morse
The timing doesn't work, given that we saw Laura as Clint's wife living "off the grid" for her family's protection during the same span of time that Bobbi Morse was active on Agents of SHIELD and portrayed as Lance Hunter's ex-wife and on-again, off-again love interest. There's no way they could be the same person.
Good point.
“You probably thought they’d retire it.” Nomi,
No Time to Die
Going to parties dressed as a priest who happens to be a pedophile was not a demand of Troma or any other studio. That was a personal choice from an allegedly functional adult. The only reason Gunn ever "apologized" was due to his history being exposed. Before that, he was not at all apologetic. Further, they are part of the same industry that (only in recent years) loves to go back and criticize entertainers who said something or committed an act they selectively found offensive in the past, so if it applies to others, it applies to Gunn, unless there's another reason for defending him.
This isn't just Gunn for me, it pisses me off any time they drag up old shit that someone did or said decades ago. There needs to be a statute of limitations for this kind of shit where you can't be penalized for something you did 20 or 30 years ago. There are probably a lot of people in the 40s and 50s who did stupid shit in their 20s that they don't really deserve to be punished for today.
There is no problem with Laura Barton and Bobbi Morse coexisting, Morse was never called Agent 19 or Mockingbird in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I double checked the MCU Wiki earlier today, and neither of them were listed under her aliases.
Just as an aside, why is the character called Mockingbird anyway?
According to the Marvel Wiki, "Barbara's penchant for taunting her opponents in battle earned her the code name of "Mockingbird"."
In reality, though, it's more complicated. Bobbi was introduced as a supporting character in Ka-Zar and went through some odd changes in concept as she passed between writers, ending up as SHIELD Agent 19. When she was dropped from that book, they briefly gave her the superhero identity of Huntress in a one-shot story that wasn't followed up on. By the time they decided to bring her back a few years later, DC had introduced their own Huntress, so Mark Gruenwald took a character design he'd created called Mockingbird and decided that would be Bobbi's superhero identity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mockingbird_(Marvel_Comics)#Huntress_to_Mockingbird
Wow. My childhood was illegal.
Agreed! I hated The Punisher until that show. Bernthal was amazing. Other than the idiot who played Danny, I loved the Netflix characters and would love to see them integrated into the MCU.
Excellent! That's all I want to know about it.No Way Home is incredible. That is all.
Dude, if I outlive my husband, how do you feel about older women?
Ooh! Yes, please!
You know, it's funny how the events in the Hawkeye show tie back to what Zemo was talking about in FatWS. Yelena's own little rant about why everyone will excuse any action if they hear the word "Avenger".
Much of the world has a pretty unhealthy response to celebrities, from athletes to actors to musicians to...guys who sell pillows on the Internet, for some reason...to folks who post a lot of TikToks. They are often elevated to a social status that most of them don't deserve. Not because they're generally bad people (well, the MyPillow guy is, but...), but because they have no special wisdom or knowledge due to being famous. Yet we privilege actors and rich people in a thousand different ways, including letting them get away with shit that would guarantee jail time for other people.
So Hawkeye, despite his own preferences, is one of the most famous people alive. He's known for saving the world (at least twice, although maybe people don't count the Chitauri invasion) and then bringing back half of the universe and then stopping Thanos from destroying everything afterward. His past as an assassin was already either whitewashed or successfully buried in the early days of the Avengers. Then even though he violated the Accords and was arrested again, he was out on house arrest just a few years later--almost certainly because of being an Avenger (and also maybe due to the skeletons in closets he knows about from his 20 years as a spy and assassin. Or maneuvering in the same arena by his wife, who was also a spy).
Now he's free and clear and having 100-dollar meals with his family comped. He's not as popular as the other Avengers, but that might be like being the least-popular member of BTS. He obviously wasn't under arrest or even being detained for questioning after all the damage and fighting, which means the cops didn't even bother checking to see what they should do there. And maybe we're supposed to assume that Kate and Clint weren't trying to kill any Tracksuits (Kate was definitely avoiding it), but at least a few of those guys had to die when he's blowing shit up or arrows fly into upper torsos. Yet there's nary a detective or law enforcement official standing near them wanting answers.
That these people can get away almost anything just by virtue of having powers or being seen as heroes despite their backgrounds. That privilege given to people who are capable of causing more harm individually than many could cause as a group. Hawkeye, without powers but with super-tech arrows, seems to support Zemo's theory.
Really, this is what "The Boys" was trying to say but it actually does it better because these guys are REAL Heroes and not wannabes.
Much of the world has a pretty unhealthy response to celebrities, from athletes to actors to musicians to...guys who sell pillows on the Internet, for some reason...to folks who post a lot of TikToks. They are often elevated to a social status that most of them don't deserve. Not because they're generally bad people (well, the MyPillow guy is, but...), but because they have no special wisdom or knowledge due to being famous. Yet we privilege actors and rich people in a thousand different ways, including letting them get away with shit that would guarantee jail time for other people.
So Hawkeye, despite his own preferences, is one of the most famous people alive. He's known for saving the world (at least twice, although maybe people don't count the Chitauri invasion) and then bringing back half of the universe and then stopping Thanos from destroying everything afterward. His past as an assassin was already either whitewashed or successfully buried in the early days of the Avengers. Then even though he violated the Accords and was arrested again, he was out on house arrest just a few years later--almost certainly because of being an Avenger (and also maybe due to the skeletons in closets he knows about from his 20 years as a spy and assassin. Or maneuvering in the same arena by his wife, who was also a spy).
Now he's free and clear and having 100-dollar meals with his family comped. He's not as popular as the other Avengers, but that might be like being the least-popular member of BTS. He obviously wasn't under arrest or even being detained for questioning after all the damage and fighting, which means the cops didn't even bother checking to see what they should do there. And maybe we're supposed to assume that Kate and Clint weren't trying to kill any Tracksuits (Kate was definitely avoiding it), but at least a few of those guys had to die when he's blowing shit up or arrows fly into upper torsos. Yet there's nary a detective or law enforcement official standing near them wanting answers.
That these people can get away almost anything just by virtue of having powers or being seen as heroes despite their backgrounds. That privilege given to people who are capable of causing more harm individually than many could cause as a group. Hawkeye, without powers but with super-tech arrows, seems to support Zemo's theory.
Really, this is what "The Boys" was trying to say but it actually does it better because these guys are REAL Heroes and not wannabes.
Hawkeye is the Ringo of the Avengers but even being Ringo has its wonderful benefits.
Like being married to Barbara Bach?
That's one. 
Surely Prince Namor, the Yellow Submariner, is the Marvel Ringo?