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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I don't want to go into any of the No Way Home threads, so I'm going to ask this here. How many mid/post-credits scenes are there? We missed the last one in The Eternals, because I hadn't heard anything and assumed there was just one.
One mid-credits and then post-credits there is
what is a sort of sizzle reel for Doctor Strange: TTMOM
 
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As a parent heavily involved in my daughter's school and our neighborhood's Halloween activities, I can tell you that Marvel is its own brand, and that it STARTS with little kids...and after watching Disney + , definitely reaches to "adult" material. But like the MCU fanbase we have seen....while a huge portion will follow just about ANYTHING in the MCU, there are some properties which might have a portion of its audience being exclusive to it. For example, quite a bit of Black Panther's success came fromt he black community, which rented out movie theaters so whole schools could watch it. That, in addiiton to parents taking their kids to see it as well, was not typical of other Marvel movies.

Similarly... i think Marvel is being more open for "R rated" stuff, but that is NOT going to be the focus of most of their material, and will want society to think of it as more of a "family" thing, though not as kid oriented as the "Disney brand", but rather one that kids might get started in (such as through Spider Man) but still follow through their teens and beyond.

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Oh and random but topic related thought... it looks like we will have 2 Avengers teams...These are the lists off the top of my head:

NEW AVENGERS
  1. Captain AMerica (Sam wilson)
  2. Thor
  3. Spiderman
  4. Black Widow (Yelena)
  5. Shang Chi
  6. Black Panther
  7. Captan Marvel?

YOUNG AVENGERS
  1. Kate Bishop
  2. Ironheart
  3. Ms Marvel
  4. Ant Girl (Cassie Lang)

So who am i missing?
 
I wonder if there is any truth to this rumor that Letitia Wright will not get Vaccinated. I could see this delaying BP2.

https://blacksportsonline.com/2021/...-wakanda-forever-because-of-vaccine-mandates/

Is that truly a reliable source? I would think that most black news sources would emphasize the postive influence/significance of Shuri on the black community, especially black girls, so not a character easily trashed.

It's not new news. She's made COVID-denying anti-vax statements in the past. (She's also homophobic and transphobic, so an all-round wonderful human being...)
Can you show some evidence? I thought fear-mongering statements on the internet with no provdied evicence was supposed to be the exclusive domain of extreme conservatives.
Two words, Letitia: Terrance Howard.
Five more words: Kevin Spacey and Christopher Plummer.
Kevin Spacey alleged to have physically hurt someone....broke the LAW... a lot more serious

Terrance Howard? Maybe...but Letitcia resonated with at least black audiences way more than Terrance Howard did with audiences.


With Black Panther 2 coming out next year, it will be interesting to see how these comments age at that time. Definitely will want to follow up at that time.

Also would love to hear thoughts from people like @TREK_GOD_1 currently
 
I totally agree that they're going a Young Avengers route, hiring the hottest young actresses around for the roles made it pretty obvious, but I do find it hilarious that the cast of the "Young Avengers" are the same.age as some of the OG regular avengers when they started out. And they're playing teenagers vs the OG playing adults.

Which is why I think Pugh is with the reg avengers. She's the same age as Newton & Steinfeld but Yelena is in her late 30's (at least....) based on the movie timelines.

Edit:. Removed "most", replaced with "some"
 
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As a parent heavily involved in my daughter's school and our neighborhood's Halloween activities, I can tell you that Marvel is its own brand, and that it STARTS with little kids...and after watching Disney + , definitely reaches to "adult" material. But like the MCU fanbase we have seen....while a huge portion will follow just about ANYTHING in the MCU, there are some properties which might have a portion of its audience being exclusive to it. For example, quite a bit of Black Panther's success came fromt he black community, which rented out movie theaters so whole schools could watch it. That, in addiiton to parents taking their kids to see it as well, was not typical of other Marvel movies.

Similarly... i think Marvel is being more open for "R rated" stuff, but that is NOT going to be the focus of most of their material, and will want society to think of it as more of a "family" thing, though not as kid oriented as the "Disney brand", but rather one that kids might get started in (such as through Spider Man) but still follow through their teens and beyond.

--

Oh and random but topic related thought... it looks like we will have 2 Avengers teams...These are the lists off the top of my head:

NEW AVENGERS
  1. Captain AMerica (Sam wilson)
  2. Thor
  3. Spiderman
  4. Black Widow (Yelena)
  5. Shang Chi
  6. Black Panther
  7. Captan Marvel?

YOUNG AVENGERS
  1. Kate Bishop
  2. Ironheart
  3. Ms Marvel
  4. Ant Girl (Cassie Lang)

So who am i missing?

It may be possible that Kate Bishop will be a full Avenger. She's an adult.

Missing from the Young Avengers,

Patriot (F&WS)
Kid Loki (Loki)
Wiccan and Speed (Wandavision)
Hulkling (May appear in Sercret Wars?)
 
Similarly... i think Marvel is being more open for "R rated" stuff, but that is NOT going to be the focus of most of their material,

I would welcome the entire former Netflix/Marvel shows into the MCU. There's now two, but the rest would add a long-needed edge of more serious perspectives/approaches, especially the Punisher. If the MCU never brings Bernthal into the film, it would be one that franchise's major failures, as he's easily one of the top 5 best interpretations of a Marvel comic source.

Oh and random but topic related thought... it looks like we will have 2 Avengers teams...These are the lists off the top of my head:

NEW AVENGERS
  1. Captain AMerica (Sam wilson)
  2. Thor
  3. Spiderman
  4. Black Widow (Yelena)
  5. Shang Chi
  6. Black Panther
  7. Captan Marvel?

YOUNG AVENGERS
  1. Kate Bishop
  2. Ironheart
  3. Ms Marvel
  4. Ant Girl (Cassie Lang)

So who am i missing?

Bucky. Zemo referred to him as a member of the Avengers, without protest from Barnes.

Is that truly a reliable source? I would think that most black news sources would emphasize the postive influence/significance of Shuri on the black community, especially black girls, so not a character easily trashed.

Both actress and character were widely celebrated for being all too unique in the MCU (and film in general), and I would say most black culture and activist sources have not attacked her for her opinions, yet there was no time wasted with White Liberals firing off at her--not an uncommon state of affairs.

I thought fear-mongering statements on the internet with no provdied evicence was supposed to be the exclusive domain of extreme conservatives.

Hardly. Just watch the Majority Report or The Young Turks on YouTube--there's not a day that goes by where its hosts are not spitting out an ocean-liners' worth of spin jobs, ignoring verifiable evidence that proves them to be liars, or making unsubstantiated claims about everyone who does not support every ounce of their BS.

Kevin Spacey alleged to have physically hurt someone....broke the LAW... a lot more serious

Serious as in criminal, yet you will see some gloss over his crime, and come to the breathless defense of James Gunn with his history of pedophile "jokes" and attending parties dressed as a priest (the implication that the priest is a molester), but attempt to demonize and/or "cancel" Wright, Dave Chappelle and others. One need not wonder why.


With Black Panther 2 coming out next year, it will be interesting to see how these comments age at that time. Definitely will want to follow up at that time.

James Gunn engaged in utterly despicable actions and "jokes" about the sexual abuse of children, yet he has "earned" one job after another since that scandal broke, and notice the industry and news media silence over that fact. If they still go after Wright, after quickly sweeping away the Gunn matter, you will be witness to the long-lived double standard practiced by White Liberals in entertainment, the news media and among fandom.
 
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With Gunn, that all happened decades ago, and he has repeatedly apologized, and has not behaved that way in a long time. He was also working for Troma Entertainment, who was known for being offensive and outrageous, and I believe he's said it was a persona he put on, because that kind of thing was expected of their people.
As far as I know, Letitia Wright's behavior has all be much more recent, and she has not apologized or shown any regret for her comments.
Ant Girl (Cassie Lang)
Her superhero name in the comics is Stature, not Ant Girl.
 
Her superhero name in the comics is Stature, not Ant Girl.

Last time I read anything with the character, which was a couple years ago, she was going by Stinger. Stinger is actually her original superhero name in a wibbly wobbly timey wimey matter of speaking. The first time we ever saw Cassie as a superhero was in the MC2 universe, most notable for being the home of Mayday Parker, AKA Spider-Girl. She was an adult hero and a member of the Avengers and she went by the name Stinger. When she became Stinger in the mainline Universe, I thought it was a nice full circle moment for the character.
 
With Gunn, that all happened decades ago, and he has repeatedly apologized, and has not behaved that way in a long time. He was also working for Troma Entertainment, who was known for being offensive and outrageous, and I believe he's said it was a persona he put on, because that kind of thing was expected of their people.
As far as I know, Letitia Wright's behavior has all be much more recent, and she has not apologized or shown any regret for her comments.

Not to mention that being anti-vaccination isn't just offending others, it's endangering their lives. So there's no comparison.
 
Last time I read anything with the character, which was a couple years ago, she was going by Stinger. Stinger is actually her original superhero name in a wibbly wobbly timey wimey matter of speaking. The first time we ever saw Cassie as a superhero was in the MC2 universe, most notable for being the home of Mayday Parker, AKA Spider-Girl. She was an adult hero and a member of the Avengers and she went by the name Stinger. When she became Stinger in the mainline Universe, I thought it was a nice full circle moment for the character.
Oh, OK. Most of the stuff I've seen online about the character has been in relation to her stint with the Young Avengers, and she was Stature then, didn't realize she had changed her name since then.
Just checked the Marvel Wiki, and that says Stinger is still her current alias.
If she does get her powers in the comics, I wonder which name they'll go with?
 
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Marvel’s Phase 5 theme: Fine, I’ll do it myself!
 
With the rumors that Patrick Stewart was spotted on-set somewhere during a Marvel production it's definitely possible that the other universe's X-Men will be appearing in the MCU. Tell Hugh Jackman to dust off his jackets and his claws because methinks the big guy is gonna be back.
 
With the rumors that Patrick Stewart was spotted on-set somewhere during a Marvel production it's definitely possible that the other universe's X-Men will be appearing in the MCU. Tell Hugh Jackman to dust off his jackets and his claws because methinks the big guy is gonna be back.

Probably in the Multiverse of Madness. Otherwise, they're both too old to continue on as recurring characters
 
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