Spoilers Hawkeye -Discussion Thread

[Oso Blanco]

Didn't Clint say the watch belonged to someone who had quit SHIELD and had gone into hiding? And isn't that exactly what Bobbi did in AoS?

Maybe the watch didn't belong to Laura, and she was only keeping it for Bobbi?

No way they would decanonize AoS, the first few seasons tied directly into the movies. Everything after that time jump, though ... who knows!

 

[theenglish]

I think at this point AoS has been all but de-canonized. That said, there is nothing in this episode that does that.

 

[John Clark]

Just here to say that the last episode was a lot of fun (and the whole series was good).

More please

 

[Non Sync]

Yeah, it was very weird. That's why I think they cut something they didn't want kids to copy.

Like repelling down a building facing downward?

 

[FPAlpha]

What's with the obsession here about Mockingbird/Bobbi? I don't get it.. Hawkeye's wife is/was apparently Shield Agent 19, somehow lost her Shield watch ( may have some Bond style additional features but certainly no Iron Man suit within) and it's most likely how Clint and Laura met, case closed.

 

[Starkers]

Oh yeah, and this might be sheer coincidence but the trucks the Tracksuits were using looked very similar to the truck used by Gruber and co at the start of Die Hard.

 

[Saul]

Like repelling down a building facing downward?

Exactly. It's like how they cut headbutts out of films in the UK. Can't see any headbutts in the Matrix films but jumping off buildings, kicking people in the head, playing with the idea that the world you live in is not real are all OK compared to that.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Also, am I the only one who loved the mid credits scene. I could watch that all day.

I don’t care what Clint thought of it, I would watch the absolute hell out of Rogers: The Musical.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

The local paper (not sure if this was syndicated) had a story today about...

Is Die Hard the Ultimate Christmas Movie?

Over the years the film’s co-writer, Steven E. de Souza, has weighed in, telling The Washington Post in 2018 that the film’s producer, Joel Silver, had predicted the movie would get played at Christmastime for years."

So, who thinks Hawkeye will steal that crown?

 

[FreezeC77]

The local paper (not sure if this was syndicated) had a story today about...

Is Die Hard the Ultimate Christmas Movie?


So, who thinks Hawkeye will steal that crown?

I guess after next year the debate will be. Better MCU Christmas. Hawkeye vs Guardians Of The Galaxy special

 

[Seven of Five]

That was a lot of fun, especially the mid-credits scene featuring the musical.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think at this point AoS has been all but de-canonized.

Sez you.

 

[Henoch]

What's with the obsession here about Mockingbird/Bobbi? I don't get it.. Hawkeye's wife is/was apparently Shield Agent 19, somehow lost her Shield watch ( may have some Bond style additional features but certainly no Iron Man suit within) and it's most likely how Clint and Laura met, case closed.

It's more than just a retirement Rolex watch. Once in Maya's apartment, the watch started broadcasting its location such that Laura could now track it. Also while in Maya's hands, she was able to compile a list of Barton's complete family. If we put these to known events together, then one can propose that the watch has some sort of electronic data base in it which triggered the homing beacon when Maya accessed the data clip inside it.

My thoughts: Back in the first episode, the Tracksuit Bro's were after the watch, first most. Maya was their leader and she had to be the only person who wanted the info in the watch more than anyone else. She must have learned that the Ronin suit, sword and Rolex watch were found together, and that the watch was S.H.I.E.L.D. issue. At first, she must have assumed that Ronin was a ex-S.H.I.E.L.D. agent and knew that all S.H.I.E.L.D. watches contained electronic chips with the identity of the agent inside it. Much to her surprise, the identity of the agent was Clint Barton's wife, Laura. Maybe Maya mistakenly thought Laura was Ronin...only to be surprised again to learn later than it was Clint himself as Ronin. Clint must have carried Laura's watch as a keepsake during his Ronin years and it ended up with his Ronin suit and sword.

As to how the suit/sword/watch was "found" in Avenger's Compound after the Thanos fight when Clint was wearing the suit and using the sword during the fight? Don' know. Maybe he stripped it off after the fight in shame and threw it (forgotten watch in pocket) in the big hole that was once the Compound.

 

[theenglish]

Sez you.

Nah, sez people over in other threads where we discussed this. I was on the say it ain't so side, but eventually became convinced. After weeks crying in my bed, agonizing over the possibility Phil Coulson was never resurrected in the MCU I realized it is only a television show and its continuity status is not going to affect my enjoyment of it.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Nah, sez people over in other threads where we discussed this. I was on the say it ain't so side, but eventually became convinced. After weeks crying in my bed, agonizing over the possibility Phil Coulson was never resurrected in the MCU I realized it is only a television show and its continuity status is not going to affect my enjoyment of it.

I don't care what people who are wrong think.

And I'm not going to argue over what's real or not real in an entirely fictional construct. As far as I'm concerned, the show is part of the MCU timeline. Don't give a fig what anyone else thinks.

And all I've seen are people saying that the show isn't part of the Sacred Canon. I've yet to see anyone make a convincing argument. All evidence I've seen is that they're making an effort not to contradict Agents of Shield. As I pointed out earlier, Carol Danvers being revived from near death by an infusion of Kree blood is a notion that found its origin on the show not the comics.

 

[Turtletrekker]

EW interview with Vincent D'Onofrio. A few takeaways...

He says he's playing the same version of the character that he portrayed on Daredevil.

Kingpin lost a bit of his power because of the blip.

He acknowledges that the character is physically stronger than he was the last time we saw him.

He points out that the Hawaiian shirt is from the comics.

Early on in the interview he says that Hawkeye is "one of" the projects he talked about with Kevin Feige, but he evaded the question entirely when asked directly about that.

https://ew.com/tv/hawkeye-finale-kingpin-vincent-donofrio-interview/

 

[Noname Given]

I think at this point AoS has been all but de-canonized. That said, there is nothing in this episode that does that.

It's possible everything past the first season was decanonized, but you can't decanonize any of the Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury scenes in Agents of s.h.i.e.l.d.; including the scene of him being chased by the Winter Soldier at the end of the Season 1 AoS episode which was effectively a promo for Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

What surprised me is that I didn't realize they were introducing 'Jack' as the Marvel character known as The Swordsman until he walked into the party carrying that sword on his belt and then when he went to help fight the Tracksuit Mafia. That's when it finally clicked for me as what character he was, and I should have known earlier given how they were portraying him throughout the whole series.

 

[JD]

Another weird thing. In behind-the-scenes photos Alaqua Cox has the hand print face paint from the comics on but we never see it in the show itself.

The "19" on the back of the watch confirms it, as Bobbi was also know as Agent 19.

Sorry AOS fans (of whom I am one).

As I've seen noted elsewhere, given the age of her and Clint's oldest child, Laura stopped being Mockingbird no later than 2002. So more than enough time for AOS's Bobbi to take on the mantle and number herself. If 007 can be replaced...

I really hope Val insisted on Eleanor paying upfront. That post-mission debriefing with Yelena's gonna be hella awkward as it is.

Maybe Bobbi and Laura were good friends and Laura saved her life on a mission and when Laura retired to live a normal life her friend Bobbi gave her the watch as a gift. Or worst Bobbi has died given that watched even more sentimental value.

Not much, but I'll take it. Anything to confirm the pre-Disney+ shows weren't foolishly thrown away.



It confirms she was A Mockingbird. There's plenty of room for two.

If "Black Widow" can refer to an entire "Type" of Red Room/KGB Assassin, then I don't see why "Mockingbird" can't be more than 1 Agent.

Plus Bobbi might have replaced her when she quit or retired. Bobbie could have taken over when Laura had her first kid.

I don’t care what Clint thought of it, I would watch the absolute hell out of Rogers: The Musical.

This seems like an awful lot of work to get around a contradiction that doesn't exist.

 

[Captaindemotion]

This seems like an awful lot of work to get around a contradiction that doesn't exist.

Eh?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think there were more trick arrows in the Hawkeye finale than in seven seasons of Arrow.