She was quite good in Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins.
When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?
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She was quite good in Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins.
Yes.
Janeway is an inspiration even to the ETH (Holo-Janeway: "What would the REAL Janeway do in this situation? She'd clean house!")
B'Elanna was split in two, and then the human half was surgically altered and genemodded to appear like a human/klingon Hybrid.
On one hand you can ask why she got to kept the magic imaginary rank that Janeway gave the original B'Elanna, or the other hand she isn't guilty of terrorism any more, because this B'Elanna did not fire dreadnought at a civilian population.
Half of the original B'Elanna kept her rank, kept her job, needs to stand trial for terrorism, was allowed to breed with a regular human being, and get married legally.
It may not be legal precedent, but it's Janeway Precedent.
Should B'Elanna's Kid have been 1/4 Klingon or %100 human?
Did the Doctor gene mod the fetus to be 1/4 Klingon, before B'Elanna tried and failed to gene mod the 1/4 Klingon baby into a %100 Klingon baby?
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We seem to have very different definitions of bad-ass...
Now with one-hundred percent less ass?
I prefer one hundred percent less ass.
didn’t the doctor reintegrate the Klingon genome or something?
Gene modding.
A "little" more complicated than a blood transfusion.
Point is, if those two completely different people, who were not the original B'Elanna Torres, weren't reintegrated with a Transporter, then she's still %100 human, but with a little cosmetic surgery.
The Doctor probably looked up what the Klingons did for themselves, after they were ravaged by the augment plague.
The original premise was: "Sisko committed some pretty egregious acts, yet he was typically lauded as a "Badass.". Whatever you think of her actions, Janeway received far less leeway."
My point is that Jake Sisko committed a far more egregious offense in "The Visitor" than anything Ben did, assuming you consider what Jake and Janeway did to the timeline to be egregious. AFAICR Ben never changed the timeline.
In short, Janeway gets less leeway because she did worse things (IMO) than Ben did.
Even if 25th century Jake had survived his actions (and he didn't), he was in a no-win situation. If he died at a random time, he would effectively murder Sisko, the way Janeway murdered Tuvix and Annorax murdered countless billions: by erasing him from existence. If he died at a time of his choosing, his father would live.
Regarding Janeway... I like her a lot: she's smart, she's elegant, and she's tough as nails. If I still got crushes, I'd probably have one on her. However, I recognize that there are rational and understandable reasons why some people dislike her. I've given eight (well, seven; my first was simply suggesting that the Janeway hate may be less intense than you think), and there are probably ones I've missed.
Regarding Janeway... I like her a lot: she's smart, she's elegant, and she's tough as nails. If I still got crushes, I'd probably have one on her. However, I recognize that there are rational and understandable reasons why some people dislike her. I've given eight (well, seven; my first was simply suggesting that the Janeway hate may be less intense than you think), and there are probably ones I've missed.
I don't think a lot of people "hate" Janeway either. I just think a fair number of people find a number of her decisions morally dubious (which isn't to say they don't find some of Sisko's actions morally dubious either, but they consider Janeway's to be moreso), and I don't think they're wrong to do so.
Of course, these days people often use the word "hate" rather hyperbolically.
Of course, these days people often use the word "hate" rather hyperbolically.
Again, in the Star Trek universe, time travel isn't anything special; the space-time continuum is wrinkled and unwrinkled every day right before breakfast. Future Starfleet's Temporal Police Division (or whatever they're called) probably threw their hands up when it became obvious that running down every shoplifter was a waste of effort. Q? Q alternates between laughing his omnipotent ass off and wondering "Why didn't I think of that?".
It may not be special to them, but it's special to me and apparently many other viewers.
Arguably Doctor Pulaski, Tuvix, and many of the tech breakthroughs seen in the franchise aren't special either, if the only metric we're going by is how often they're discussed afterward.
