We have a cry thread so people can leave it in there :b
Did Burnham cry??
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Why's that? Everyone seems to be having a little harmless fun. Burnham crying is the shows Tuvik was murdered and Sisko yells a lot and Picard solves everything with a speech and Kirk has sex with every female guest star and or red shirt deaths. It's just one of the shows things people have latched onto.
Did people complain about Picard speeches? 
Back in the day they did. Especially because Kirk was a man of action type. I remember it being a big deal how Picard turn and ran in the pilot episode when faced with Q. Even now you still some complaints about how he would solve lots of problems just sitting in his ready room.
I guess that makes sense. But, now it is considered a strength, not a point and laugh type of situation.
I've always liked it. TNG to me is the one show that nailed the Roddenberry vision the best. TOS and DS9 were great shows but they weren't into the vision as much as TNG and they simply worked because the characters were interesting and DS9 was challenging the ways one can look at the Federation and Starfleet.
TOS was in to the vision that Gene had at the time. It's ridiculous to say it should be in line with a vision not yet formulated.
I think TOS had a great vision of mutual cooperation, with that high quality science fiction show. I think saying that it is less the vision of Gene is odd, to say the least. While I appreciate what TNG tried to do, often doing some really interesting ideas in the science fiction realm, it strove forward on the power of the characters, not the vision. Perhaps a distinction without too much of a difference. But, while I may appreciate the vision of Gene in TNG, there is zero engagement at this time for me with the characters.
Yup. That's also what I remember.
Which makes limited sense. And was dialed back as TNG progressed. Also, with all the corrupt admirals "evolved" seems to be a highly selective in its process.
Also, why is mourning a "dark" aspect to evolve past?
Kirk was a speech maker too. E plebnista.
I'm glad to see you're so in-touch with your feelings. You're very forward, you're very modern, and I commend you.
Yes, we avoid all spoilers (and The Ready Room) and wait until 2022.
I think with mourning it came down to Roddenberry's views on God. He saw human evolution as a rejection of superstition like religion and humans embracing reason and logic. Since death is a normal part of the human experience people would have a more logical view on death instead of one based in emotion. It's one of the reason you see so little crying in Trek. Humans are suppose to have more logical and evolved approach to these things and one less built on fear and insecurity which of course is very much a big part of being human today.
I think that is a highly limited view of humanity. It isn't more evolved to deny aspects of humanity that are just a part of humanity. Emotions are a part of humanity. That is why many philosophies and mental health treatments are about healthy expression of emotion, rather than just coldly and logically analyzing the situation and moving on. Mourning has nothing to do with God or religion and everything to do with missing people. This is why I struggle with Gene's Vision. It's not evolved; it's a rejection of one part of humanity.
I agree. I didn't like that part of it. The stuff I liked mostly was how it was a colorblind society. People weren't racist. People were also generally nice and friendly with each other. It really helped me at the time because I was lonely and depressed. It even helps me today along with other shows or music. When your feeling bad and you just want to put something nice on. I also really liked the world building of the show. How it had familiar aliens and how it took time to sort of develop the rules about how the universe worked.
What the federations goals were. Why the Klingons were warriors etc. I then got into TOS and DS9 shortly after and soon Voyager and that is how I became a Trek fan. Which then made me go look out other Sci FI like Babylon 5 and later Stargate and Space Above and Beyond and so forth. Trek is the firt show I got into on a level beyond watching. I bought things like the Tech Manuel books like that. I am not into it on that level anymore but I still watch all the shows and still watch reruns quite abit.
What the federations goals were. Why the Klingons were warriors etc. I then got into TOS and DS9 shortly after and soon Voyager and that is how I became a Trek fan. Which then made me go look out other Sci FI like Babylon 5 and later Stargate and Space Above and Beyond and so forth. Trek is the firt show I got into on a level beyond watching. I bought things like the Tech Manuel books like that. I am not into it on that level anymore but I still watch all the shows and still watch reruns quite abit.
