Did Burnham cry??

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by ED-209, Nov 22, 2021.

  1. Tim Thomason

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    There's all these ads for VPN stuff online, which I understand is a shady area of discussion, but not technically illegal. It seems like it should be, and probably will be soon enough, and is certainly against most services terms of service... but, you know, it's advertised front and center as a legitimate way of watching Netflix shows (and probably Paramount+) on all those sponsored YouTube videos.

    Here's a discussion on VPNs and Netflix, regarding its legality.
     
  2. NCC-73515

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    We have a cry thread so people can leave it in there :b
     
  3. Santa Jaws

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    So far the only places where VPNs are restricted or illegal tend to be more authoritarian governments where they actively censor the flow of information to the public. For instance China, where they don't want someone bypassing geo-blocking and being able to access unrestricted internet content. In the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK and most of Europe (excluding Belarus, Russia, and Turkey) VPNs are completely legal.

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  4. HO HO HO

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    Why's that? Everyone seems to be having a little harmless fun. Burnham crying is the shows Tuvik was murdered and Sisko yells a lot and Picard solves everything with a speech and Kirk has sex with every female guest star and or red shirt deaths. It's just one of the shows things people have latched onto.
     
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  5. fireproof78

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    Did people complain about Picard speeches? :vulcan:
     
  6. HO HO HO

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    Back in the day they did. Especially because Kirk was a man of action type. I remember it being a big deal how Picard turn and ran in the pilot episode when faced with Q. Even now you still some complaints about how he would solve lots of problems just sitting in his ready room.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    I guess that makes sense. But, now it is considered a strength, not a point and laugh type of situation.
     
  8. HO HO HO

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    I've always liked it. TNG to me is the one show that nailed the Roddenberry vision the best. TOS and DS9 were great shows but they weren't into the vision as much as TNG and they simply worked because the characters were interesting and DS9 was challenging the ways one can look at the Federation and Starfleet.
     
  9. fireproof78

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    TOS was in to the vision that Gene had at the time. It's ridiculous to say it should be in line with a vision not yet formulated.
     
  10. HO HO HO

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    I think the TNG vision is sort of what became know as the Roddenberry vision. Lots of it came from fans and all that downtime between TOS being cancelled and TNG. TOS I think was him just wanting to do science fiction show of high quality.
     
  11. fireproof78

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    I think TOS had a great vision of mutual cooperation, with that high quality science fiction show. I think saying that it is less the vision of Gene is odd, to say the least. While I appreciate what TNG tried to do, often doing some really interesting ideas in the science fiction realm, it strove forward on the power of the characters, not the vision. Perhaps a distinction without too much of a difference. But, while I may appreciate the vision of Gene in TNG, there is zero engagement at this time for me with the characters.
     
  12. HO HO HO

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    Well I agree their is kind of a vision of people coming together on TOS. A humanist type I would say. TNG though has humans basically evolving past some of the darker aspects of our nature.
     
  13. Lord Garth

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    Yup. That's also what I remember.
     
  14. fireproof78

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    Which makes limited sense. And was dialed back as TNG progressed. Also, with all the corrupt admirals "evolved" seems to be a highly selective in its process.

    Also, why is mourning a "dark" aspect to evolve past?
     
  15. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    Kirk was a speech maker too. E plebnista.
     
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  16. Lord Garth

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    I'm glad to see you're so in-touch with your feelings. You're very forward, you're very modern, and I commend you. :devil:
     
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    I think with mourning it came down to Roddenberry's views on God. He saw human evolution as a rejection of superstition like religion and humans embracing reason and logic. Since death is a normal part of the human experience people would have a more logical view on death instead of one based in emotion. It's one of the reason you see so little crying in Trek. Humans are suppose to have more logical and evolved approach to these things and one less built on fear and insecurity which of course is very much a big part of being human today.
     
  19. antinoos

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    I keep reading about Gene's Vision™,
    but nobody's talking about Gene's Dental™,
    or Gene's Hearing™,
    or Gene's Smell™.

    What's up with that?
     
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    I think that is a highly limited view of humanity. It isn't more evolved to deny aspects of humanity that are just a part of humanity. Emotions are a part of humanity. That is why many philosophies and mental health treatments are about healthy expression of emotion, rather than just coldly and logically analyzing the situation and moving on. Mourning has nothing to do with God or religion and everything to do with missing people. This is why I struggle with Gene's Vision. It's not evolved; it's a rejection of one part of humanity.