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Spoilers Coda: Book 1: Moments Asunder by Dayton Ward Review Thread
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If Kira's time displaced not-boyfriend has a role outside of being mentioned off-hand in this trilogy but we don't hear anything about any transporter clones, I am down to riot.
I'm thinking of poor Pava from the Starfleet Academy comics/Titan!
The problem is that the stakes are so high, it's like there are no stakes. It seems like they're leading up to the litverse getting erased or sacrificed or whatever for the sake of the multiverse. So when everyone's eventually going to get wiped out anyway, it doesn't hit as hard when major characters die. And when they pile up character deaths, especially in a relatively perfunctory way, it all starts to feel like nothing matters.
I haven't read that much of the litverse, but I understand why people aren't thrilled when the universe they have been reading for 20 years ends up as a "diseased tree branch" that might need to be pruned. I was hoping they would position the litverse as an alternative, equally valid reality and just wrap things up without trashing it on the way out. But there are still 2 books left...
I haven't read that much of the litverse, but I understand why people aren't thrilled when the universe they have been reading for 20 years ends up as a "diseased tree branch" that might need to be pruned. I was hoping they would position the litverse as an alternative, equally valid reality and just wrap things up without trashing it on the way out. But there are still 2 books left...
I've heard things from people who've already read book two that indicate a difference in tone from book one, so here's hoping.
I hope so; I found book one fairly brutal, and so far don't see how this is "better" than what Lucasfilm did - wholesale, breathless massacre of established characters was not what I was looking for!
Without having read Book 2 yet, I agree. Yes, Lucasfilm just abandoned the Legends continuity without any sense of closure, but at least one could still imagine those stories are still ongoing in some other reality. The Trek Litverse on the other hand might be getting closure, but based on Coda Book 1 that closure is everyone getting killed and the universe getting destroyed. Is that supposed to be more comforting than just cutting bait and walking away from that continuity?
On the other hand, what appears to be the case in the first act of a story often turns out to be a fakeout by the final act, or is changed/undone. There's not much of a story arc if the way things are presented in the first part of the story just continues unchanged until the end. So just because that looks like the probable outcome now doesn't mean it really will be.
Would it be worse to have a favorite character dead after the reboot, or altered significantly?
After the end happens I'll be happy to see any book character brought to the prime/newlit timeline. I'm gonna actively hope that by the end of this trilogy they save the universe and life goes on for them. I'm hoping for the Tng ending and we get some of our dead friends back before it's over.
They can both hurt lol. Icheb and Seven get real shafted in the prime timeline versus their litverse counterparts. Like way shafted. It's knowing that they'll never get those great book moments because they can't possibly happen in the prime timeline. Icheb and Bryce have always been a highlight of the Full Circle era, and it's just so sad to see Seven where she is in Picard.
You may have just created the name for the future of the Trek novel line. “NewLit.”
Icheb, I can understand. His only appearance in PIC was definitely shaftey.
Indeed, I suspect that part of the reason Icheb was killed off so graphically and brutally was a back-handed insult to Manu Intiraymi.
Sort of like "we don't like you, so not only are we going to get somebody else to play the role you worked so hard to build, but we're going to immediately kill him with massive amounts of torture porn."
Sort of like "we don't like you, so not only are we going to get somebody else to play the role you worked so hard to build, but we're going to immediately kill him with massive amounts of torture porn."
But how was Seven "shafted"? She had an important part to play in PIC. I don't see that as an insult at all.
Honestly, he deserves it for those tweets. But I don't think they made his death any more gory because of it. The gore was just to serve Seven's story.
Why, what did he say?
And how does this affect his ability to play Icheb? Does it have anything to do with the show? In the end, what does it matter?
Oh, right, I forgot about Manu targeting Rapp.
In that case, I certainly understand why he wasn’t asked to return. Manu was way out of line.
In that case, I certainly understand why he wasn’t asked to return. Manu was way out of line.
Yeah, I think they should have dialed down the gore in his death but otherwise his death was something that happens in Star Trek.
A tragedy that motivates our heroine (Seven).
A tragedy that motivates our heroine (Seven).
Icheb, I can understand. His only appearance in PIC was definitely shaftey.
Indeed, I suspect that part of the reason Icheb was killed off so graphically and brutally was a back-handed insult to Manu Intiraymi.
Sort of like "we don't like you, so not only are we going to get somebody else to play the role you worked so hard to build, but we're going to immediately kill him with massive amounts of torture porn."
But how was Seven "shafted"? She had an important part to play in PIC. I don't see that as an insult at all.
I only meant that when you compare Seven's station in life in Treklit vs. where her story went in Picard, one is clearly much happier for Seven as a person. I'm not saying she as a character got the shaft with bad characterization or shitty story arc, I actually quite like what they did with her and am excited to see more. But that came with a price, because Seven's life post-Voyager does not seem to be one of happiness and love and growth, which is what she got in the books. I'm not saying that I want that instead of what we got. The original question was what would be personally worse, death or completely changed story of a character post-reboot, and I just meant that both can be equally sad, citing Icheb and Seven as examples of post-reboot sad lives vs their lives in the books.
Manu Intiraymi is a dipshit and I hope he's enjoying being irrelevant lol.
