Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Also, I have to admit that the Super-Wonder-Twins idea has a certain appeal.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the boys only gain ½ of the powers from their dad?
e.g.
One Child gets Super Speed
Other Child gets Super Flight

One Child gets Super Hearing
Other Child gets Super Vision

One Child gets Super Strength with minor increase in toughness
Other Child gets Super Durability with minor increase in strength

Both children can gain ½ powered Eye Beams & Super Breath from their dad as a common feature, but since they're ½ as strong, they need to work together to match intensity.

Since the boys are ½ human, they can suffer from Kryptonite at ½ the effective rate of their dad, ergo offering some protection.

 

[Jayson1]

What does that have to do with anything?

Everything and nothing. It is a mystery that answers everything except the question itself.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wouldn't it be interesting if the boys only gain ½ of the powers from their dad?
e.g.
One Child gets Super Speed
Other Child gets Super Flight

One Child gets Super Hearing
Other Child gets Super Vision

One Child gets Super Strength with minor increase in toughness
Other Child gets Super Durability with minor increase in strength

Both children can gain ½ powered Eye Beams & Super Breath from their dad as a common feature, but since they're ½ as strong, they need to work together to match intensity.

Since the boys are ½ human, they can suffer from Kryptonite at ½ the effective rate of their dad, ergo offering some protection.

Supergirl lost all of her powers, after using too much heat vision.

So despite what I said earlier, all the super powers are connected. The solar radiation is probably Sent to one organ/gland/distribution point first, and then it choked.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Supergirl lost all of her powers, after using too much heat vision.

So despite what I said earlier, all the super powers are connected. The solar radiation is probably Sent to one organ/gland/distribution point first, and then it choked.

That's why you don't over exert yourself.

 

[Christopher]

One Child gets Super Strength with minor increase in toughness
Other Child gets Super Durability with minor increase in strength

You can't have super-strength without super-durability. After all, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Whatever force you exert on another object, an equal force is exerted upon your body. Granted, there are ways to disperse or redirect that force safely with the right training, like how karate experts can break bricks and boards and such, but it has to be done in a very precise way so as to minimize the amount of force required, so that it stays within the body's limits. It's not superstrength, just the properly targeted application of normal (trained) strength. In order to exert superhuman force, you'd need to be able to withstand superhuman force as well. If you wanted to, say, lift a semi truck above your head, you'd need a skeleton strong enough to support the weight of a semi truck.

So you could have super-durability without super-strength, but you couldn't really have the reverse.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You can't have super-strength without super-durability. After all, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Whatever force you exert on another object, an equal force is exerted upon your body.

Ultra Boy. He could only use one of Superboy's superpowers at a time.

Sunspot from the New Mutants. Really strong, but almost any one could slap him around.

 

[Commander Troi]

Ultra Boy. He could only use one of Superboy's superpowers at a time.

Sunspot from the New Mutants. Really strong, but almost any one could slap him around.

Proving that Jim Shooter (I think) and Chris Claremont don't understand biology.

 

[Christopher]

Proving that Jim Shooter (I think) and Chris Claremont don't understand biology.

More physics than biology. But then, comics have always taken considerable liberties with both.

And it's unfair to say they don't understand it, because they're writing fiction, not a science paper. Nobody understands the unreality of fiction better than the people who make it up.

 

[Booji]

I got caught up on season 1 yesterday and loved it. This might be my fav interpretation of Supes, even beating out the 90s animated series. I really like the cast and the sfx were excellent for a tv show. I'm very happy that it seemed to ignore the rest of the DC tv shows since I have no interest in them (except season 1 of Black Lightning which I believe is on par or better than the first season of Supes). I can't wait for season 2. I just hope it doesn't go down the teenie bopper drama toilet like BL did.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Proving that Jim Shooter (I think) and Chris Claremont don't understand biology.

True. Most who write science or superheroic fiction were and are pulling ideas straight out of their asses, and it rarely--if ever--holds up to real world scrutiny. In the 1980s, the "big two" attempted to "explain" characters' powers and gadgets in Marvel's Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (1983-84) & DC's Who's Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe (1985-87), with both (and their sequel publications) firing off alien biology or human superpower explanations that would generate eye rolls among most 6th grade students. Add their largely laughable attempts at detailing the engineering behind all things Iron Man, Spider-Man's web-shooters, Vibranium, etc., and readers were left with pages of nonsense wrapped with a technobabble bow.

It was only entertaining if the reader never tried to believe comic writers' ideas on biology, space flight (or anything else) ever had any real world science behind it.

 

[Commander Troi]

That's what I was going for, you two just wrote it better.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You can't have super-strength without super-durability. After all, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Whatever force you exert on another object, an equal force is exerted upon your body. Granted, there are ways to disperse or redirect that force safely with the right training, like how karate experts can break bricks and boards and such, but it has to be done in a very precise way so as to minimize the amount of force required, so that it stays within the body's limits. It's not superstrength, just the properly targeted application of normal (trained) strength. In order to exert superhuman force, you'd need to be able to withstand superhuman force as well. If you wanted to, say, lift a semi truck above your head, you'd need a skeleton strong enough to support the weight of a semi truck.

So you could have super-durability without super-strength, but you couldn't really have the reverse.

You can have Super Strength without Super Durability.

Not every Super Strong human is bullet proof, they may have tougher muscles and stronger skeletons, but they don't need to be built with skin stronger than metal that resists bullets.

Plenty of characters exists in comics that are super strong without being bullet proof.

We already have IRL strong men that can lift incredible amount of weight.

WWE's Bobby Lashly is able to dead lift 1,000 lbs as his record, that's ½ ton.

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He's definitely not bullet proof.

But he's stronger than the vast majority of humans.

And he isn't even the strongest guy in WWE history.

Amongst the strongest human beings ever employed in WWE

Braun Strowman was able to lift a 2500 lb filled wheel barrel.

Having Super Durable Skin / body where you can just literally tank bullet rounds is a different thing all together.

Yes you will be stronger than average, but your defensive power doesn't necessarily have to scale with your durability.

Look at DC's Legend of Tomorrow, Nate Heywood AKA Steel has a super durable "Steel like Skin" when he activates it, his strength is above average in "Steel Mode", but he doesn't have Superman level strength while in "Steel Mode".

 

[Christopher]

You can have Super Strength without Super Durability.

Not every Super Strong human is bullet proof, they may have tougher muscles and stronger skeletons, but they don't need to be built with skin stronger than metal that resists bullets.

That's a narrow definition of durability. Tougher muscles and stronger skeletons are greater durability, obviously. It makes no sense to say they don't count.

Plenty of characters exists in comics that are super strong without being bullet proof.

Yes, obviously, but I'm saying that it's implausible. Just because someone puts something in a story doesn't make it immune to criticism.

We already have IRL strong men that can lift incredible amount of weight.

I already addressed that -- it's not superstrength, just human strength trained to its peak. Its absolute limits are the limits of what the body can endure. Which is why they can weightlift 2500 pounds but can't punch through a bank vault door or throw a tank turret around like a shotput. Superstrength, by definition, is superhuman, beyond the maximum that a real person could achieve.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That's a narrow definition of durability.

Than what defines "Super Durability"?

To me, your skin resisting bullets is a pretty damn good starting point.

I already addressed that -- it's not superstrength, just human strength trained to its peak. Its absolute limits are the limits of what the body can endure. Which is why they can weightlift 2500 pounds but can't punch through a bank vault door or throw a tank turret around like a shotput. Superstrength, by definition, is superhuman, beyond the maximum that a real person could achieve.

But are they necessarilly correlated 1:1?

There's got to be a sliding scale, right?

 

[Christopher]

Than what defines "Super Durability"?

To me, your skin resisting bullets is a pretty damn good starting point.

Of course, but it makes no sense to say that tougher bones and muscles do not count as durability. It's not multiple choice, it's all of the above. "Durable" means "resistant to damage." That applies just as much to bones, muscles, tendons, and internal organs as it does to skin.

But are they necessarilly correlated 1:1?

There's got to be a sliding scale, right?

This is just a straw man. I never said anything about exact correlation. It's a matter of degree.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

This is just a straw man. I never said anything about exact correlation. It's a matter of degree.

Ok, to what degrees?

 

[dupersuper]

Yawn x 1000.

You've convinced me with your well thought out counter argument.

Is it fair that we reviled Kate for being blond

Who's this "we"? I thought she was miscast because she was like 22 and playing an award winning reporter who was an established journalist before having a kid 5 years ago...

 

[Guy Gardener]

You've convinced me with your well thought out counter argument.



Who's this "we"? I thought she was miscast because she was like 22 and playing an award winning reporter who was an established journalist before having a kid 5 years ago...

Had a thought.

Superman is still on his Rocket Ship to Krypton, or on his way back.

Point is: It's a dream!

Or a computer simulation, keeping his brain exercised while his body is in stasis during his transit.

So it's all wish fulfillment?

He wants to be sexier like Brandon Routh, and he wants Lois to be younger, and he wants a child.

Also if it's a dream or a simulation that would explain the recycled plots and dialogue.

What the frick colour hair did she have in the movie?

Google is showing me auburn?

So I guess I didn't complain about her being Blond either.

Wow.

 

[Ovation]

You've convinced me with your well thought out counter argument.

I gave your “point” (and Christopher’s) all due consideration. A yawn was exactly what each of them earned.

 

[dupersuper]

I gave your “point” (and Christopher’s) all due consideration. A yawn was exactly what each of them earned.

Yawn right back atcha', I suppose.