Stargirl Season 2 - Discussion ( Spoiler Warning)

[FPAlpha]

Hey, no offense, but I was a teenager once. Neither me nor any of my friends/gang would have shot a rocket launcher at someone in the kitchen.

A hero complex and overinflated sense of duty isn't an excuse, it's a personality disorder. That said, the conflict and damage she's causing makes the story more interesting if we get a chance to see her grow out of it. Excusing her for being a teenager would mean we never get to see that self-examination and growth.

Anyway, that was just a preview. Let's watch the whole episode.Agree with you completely there.

Teenagers nowadays eat Tide pods. You were saying?

It is a comic book show - whatever applies to Teenagers in entertainment shows and movies can be multiplied several times as superhero teenagers can be walking WMDs with the self control of.. well, a Teenager.

Would be boring though if you hand over a big ass alien weapon and them doing the sensible thing and either turning it over to the authorities or be very cautious and adult in its usage.

 

[Christopher]

It is a comic book show - whatever applies to Teenagers in entertainment shows and movies can be multiplied several times as superhero teenagers can be walking WMDs with the self control of.. well, a Teenager.

I think they called that movie Chronicle. Maybe Brightburn too. But this is supposed to be more upbeat and positive than those.

Would be boring though if you hand over a big ass alien weapon and them doing the sensible thing and either turning it over to the authorities or be very cautious and adult in its usage.

I have never been particularly bored by stories about protagonists trying to avoid killing people. That's like a minimum baseline.

And there's a big difference between being inexperienced and being sociopathically reckless with a lethal weapon. A teenager might credibly get careless with their parents' gun and shoot someone by accident, but what Courtney did here was the equivalent of opening up with an assault rifle in continuous fire mode on purpose. Heck, the beam from the Staff probably did more damage to the furniture than a hail of bullets -- so what would it have done to human flesh? If the writers and director intended it to convey just overzealous inexperience, then they shouldn't have had the Staff's beam be so clearly lethal in its effect.

 

[thribs]

They finally make Jade (somewhat) green and she buggers off? Typical.
I’m sure she’ll be back down the road but I was hoping she would be a main character.
Man, that guy is so English he couldn’t be more evil.

 

[Greg Cox]

I liked that Pat didn't keep mum about the Shade "for Courtney's own good" or whatever, but instead leveled with her about the dangerous new/old super-villain in town.

And I assume that the "James Robinson" who wrote this ep is the same one who wrote probably the best-ever STARMAN comic-book series some years ago? No wonder he had the Shade's voice down perfectly.

And, yes, the comics nerd in me loved the throwaway gag about the Green Lama, who was indeed an old Golden Age superhero.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

And I assume that the "James Robinson" who wrote this ep is the same one who wrote probably the best-ever STARMAN comic-book series some years ago? No wonder he had the Shade's voice down perfectly.

FWIW, Wikipedia and IMDB make the same assumption, but no citation is provided.

IMO, given that that James Robinson has a rich history with DC (which includes a secondary creator credit for the STARS and S.T.R.I.P.E. and a singular credit for Starman vol 2) and screenwriting experience, the assumption is reasonable unless contradictory information is provided.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I enjoyed the episode a lot. It addressed all the things that bothered me about Courtney's attitude in the first episode. If I have a criticism it's that Courtney admitted she was wrong and changed completely a little to quick and easy. If only it was that way for all of us,

It seems that Jade started out with the ring but had the power inside her all along, so she is like she was in the comics, but also with a ring. Think that was nice twist.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I liked that Pat didn't keep mum about the Shade "for Courtney's own good" or whatever, but instead leveled with her about the dangerous new/old super-villain in town.

And I assume that the "James Robinson" who wrote this ep is the same one who wrote probably the best-ever STARMAN comic-book series some years ago? No wonder he had the Shade's voice down perfectly.

And, yes, the comics nerd in me loved the throwaway gag about the Green Lama, who was indeed an old Golden Age superhero.

I remember years ago when the 'Law & Order' franchise was at its height and seeing Gerry Conway's name in the credits as an 'Editor', thinking 'That "Gerry Conway"?', and yes, it was.

 

[DigificWriter]

I enjoyed the episode a lot. It addressed all the things that bothered me about Courtney's attitude in the first episode. If I have a criticism it's that Courtney admitted she was wrong and changed completely a little to quick and easy. If only it was that way for all of us,

It seems that Jade started out with the ring but had the power inside her all along, so she is like she was in the comics, but also with a ring. Think that was nice twist.

My understanding is that she absorbed the Lantern's power when it exploded and that she was just a normal human being with a Power Ring before that point.

 

[Christopher]

Well, Courtney was still being a paranoid jerk, but they provided a pretty good explanation for why and Pat helped her get over it, so I guess that's okay. And it's nice to see the family working together as a team, gathering and sharing info on Shade.

I was thinking before that they might simplify Jade's backstory and just have her use the ring like a typical Green Lantern, but that was just a fakeout and they stuck closer to her comics backstory. Even the part about being a foster child separated from her brother Todd, aka Obsidian.

Once again, the lack of recaps is an issue, as I had no idea who the woman smashing things in the kitchen was until Cindy showed up and called her "Mom," whereupon I belatedly and vaguely remembered the whole trophy wife/hostage angle.

 

[Greg Cox]

Once again, the lack of recaps is an issue, as I had no idea who the woman smashing things in the kitchen was until Cindy showed up and called her "Mom," whereupon I belatedly and vaguely remembered the whole trophy wife/hostage angle.

LIkewise. And the Cindy Lauper tune in the background even made me think, at first, this was a flashback to the eighties.

I'm enjoying the show, but they really are assuming that we all rewatched Season One just a few weeks ago, aren't they?

 

[LaxScrutiny]

For me, that she was unrecognizable was the point. She was utterly different than the woman we saw last season, which emphasizes the horror she had been put through.

 

[Christopher]

I'm enjoying the show, but they really are assuming that we all rewatched Season One just a few weeks ago, aren't they?

And they don't even have the full first season up on the website, just the last three episodes currently.

 

[theenglish]

I really enjoyed that episode. Nice origin story for Jade, but I was surprised that she left at the end of the episode. I would like to see her return and maybe have Todd join her. Or there may be an episode where the JSA needs to rescue him. My guess now is that it will take Obsidian and Jade to help defeat The Shade and Eclipso.

I liked that they resolved the conflict between Courtney and Jennie. The scene where Courtney acknowledged she was coming from a place of jealousy was well done and was a good scene with Pat. I also like how Pat finally got acknowledged for his past super-heroics. Of course the Ordway home was a nice nod.

What I like most about this series is that it has heart. That's something I haven't really felt watching the CW series over the past few years. This and S&L have really demonstrated that there is still room for the CWverse to grow.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

What I like most about this series is that it has heart. That's something I haven't really felt watching the CW series over the past few years. This and S&L have really demonstrated that there is still room for the CWverse to grow.

By being mostly removed from the rest of the Arrowverse.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

And they don't even have the full first season up on the website, just the last three episodes currently.

All the first season episodes are on Amazon Prime. The second season eps are released the same day as telecast.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I'm wondering how much COVID might end up charging this season's storyline.
I'm definitely noticing a lack of background extras in certain scenes; and setting the season during summer school means less students on campus.

 

[CaptainWacky]

Very good second episode. Loved how excited Courtney was at the thought of being able to go off superheroing at the end.

 

[StCoop]

I wonder if the upcoming HBO Max "Green Lantern" show was the reason for Jade's (not that she was ever called that) quick departure? Having set up the Lantern in Season One, which was shot well before the other series was announced, they were given one episode to get rid of it?

 

[DigificWriter]

I wonder if the upcoming HBO Max "Green Lantern" show was the reason for Jade's (not that she was ever called that) quick departure?

That's not how character access rights work.

 

[dupersuper]

My understanding is that she absorbed the Lantern's power when it exploded and that she was just a normal human being with a Power Ring before that point.

Except she was clearly powering the ring before that and Pat didn't understand how she'd been using it so long without a battery...