There's a difference between knowing what she's supposed to look like on the outside and having the anatomical knowledge to put her back together so she looks like that.
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Or even look at pictures, or (given how easily they scanned the 1701 main computer), computer records. The ship should have had some personal effects or other readable/survivable records on humanity. And hell, some how at her advanced age (she had a lot of gray hair in the 'humpback makeup'), she's still fertile <--- I mean she was the 'Eve' in the Talosian repopulation plan, so Talosian medicine must be highly advanced in some ways.
Again given her 'real' appearance - it's clear they didn't even look at a photograph of a human.
No, it just means that they weren't successful in putting her together to look like that.
Everyone here knows what humans look like. How many of us are qualified reconstructive surgeons?
Vina's line was: "They found me in the wreckage, a lump of flesh. They rebuilt me...everything works. But they had never seen a human before...they had no guide putting me back together."
Is it possible absolutely no medical or other records survived? Yep. Likely? Nope.
No guide and yet they were able to repair all of her internal organs to the point where, as noted above, she's fertile and able to survive just fine for multiple decades? This episode was clearly written by a talentless hack who knows nothing about science and disrespects the long legacy of Star Trek that came before him.
I don't see a contradiction here. They had the knowledge to make her functional, but not to get everything back in just the right place in doing so. And bringing up medical records is moving the goalpost from your previous assertion that they should have been able to put her back together merely by knowing what she was supposed to look like.
That's different. Spock's heritage was well-known from the get-go. Everybody always knew he was half Vulcan and half human. Because, given his mixed parentage, he CAN be.
Now it is of course possible that Colt had an alien parent as well. But it doesn't explain how she looks so much different in TOS than on DSC. Assuming they even both ARE Colt, which is by no means proven (Michelle Paradise notwithstanding).
Although one of the recent novels - The Enterprise War, I think - neatly side-steps the issue by making an off-handed reference to Colt's "metamorphosis".
Yeah, well, she owes us an explanation, then.
I said weven a picture would have helped - and that some records likely survived and the (given how they scanned the 1701 man computer) - they should have been able to access them... in my earlier posts.
How is that "Moving the goal posts"?
I also said it's possible (but unlikely) absolutely no records survived; but it was clear that whatever the case - the Talosians clearly didn't look at any records at all.
Perhaps the Columbia's computer was damaged in the crash, thus the Talosians couldn't use it. (Assuming they had any computers of their own left, which is unlikely.)
And apparently a subject must be conscious for their mind to be readable. Otherwise the Talosians could have deduced Vina's proper appearance by scanning her.
And apparently a subject must be conscious for their mind to be readable. Otherwise the Talosians could have deduced Vina's proper appearance by scanning her.
Not really. It will depend on how the character is presented in SNW.Yeah, well, she owes us an explanation, then.
It still amuses me that the novel The Enterprise War avoided providing any kind of description of Colt beyond a vaguely worded line about how she had "changed a great deal since the Talos mission."
Maybe she went warp 10 on the 24th century warp scale and this is "a future stage of human evolution"?
Or maybe there are 2 people in the galaxy named Holt.
Nope. Not possible. If people have the same name they must be either the same character or related in some convoluted way.
Before "Trials and Tribble-ations" I dismissed flat foreheaded Klingons as just a limitation of budget and special effects. (I was also a kid so maybe I was also more accepting?) I have no problem with assuming Colt had spikes on her face in "The Cage" either. It's only a little bit more difficult for me to reconcile than why Saavik looked like Kirstie Alley then regenerated into Robin Curtis.
The dialogue in The Cage clearly indicates that Colt and Number One were selected for the purposes of reproduction with Pike and repopulating the surface. Logistics of that aside, it becomes even more problematic if Colt isn't actually human. So, I'm in the camp of "Not the same Colt", lest they completely destroy one of the main points of the original pilot!
I think it's fair to say that post-2017 Trek is a revised canon. Ships are bigger, everything's modern, makeup designs, technological abilities and general sensibilities are updated to 21st century standards.
And then there's a bunch if weird random changes like Colt and Le-Matrya being a giant spider monster instead if a cat. I can't even use the time wars to explain that stuff
And then there's a bunch if weird random changes like Colt and Le-Matrya being a giant spider monster instead if a cat. I can't even use the time wars to explain that stuff
Le-Matrya is more problematic than Colt who was never referred to by name on screen so any other names are rather irrelevant in terms of official status.
Thank you. Could not remember that episode's specific detail.
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