After the end of this last episode, I HOPE they aren't turning Edge into a version of "Superman IV: The Quest For Peace" 's 'Nuclear Man'...
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The voiceovers said "Become the Eradicator," so presumably that answers your question. https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Eradicator
Well, contrary to what someone else posted, Superman meant to kill Zod in that movie. His action and the end result are beyond question--just as the theatrical version intended. Anyone trying to refer to cut scenes as support for the historically false notion that Superman does not kill is reaching, and that's putting it mildly.
Yeah, that confused me too. He kept refusing to give a statement, and then all of sudden she had one, with nothing addressing Sam changing his mind.
I really liked this one, it was nice to get a quieter character driven episode after all of the big action stuff last week.
I'm almost starting to wonder if this is actually taking place on a different Earth from the other shows. It just seems strange how many times it would make sense for even a small reference to one of other Arrowverse shows, but they never do. I can see wanting to let the show establish it's own identity, but I don't see where a brief reference to Supergirl existing, or using the same design for the Fortress of Solitude they use on Supergirl.
Diggle referred to "glowing boxes" (the Green Lantern tease at the end of Arrow) and referenced Oliver, Lyla, and ARGUS by name.
Look -- continuity between fictional series is a story device that's used when it's convenient and glossed over when it isn't. Like, why didn't the Flash call in the Justice League for help with the Godspeed War? In the comics, why doesn't Superman pop across the bay and help out Batman when there's a crisis in Gotham? Series in shared universes have a long history of ignoring each other outside of crossovers. It doesn't mean they aren't nominally in the same universe. It just means that each series wants to let its heroes deal with their own problems. S&L's writers are just taking that a bit farther than most.
And so no reason to be frustrated that Supergirl isn't mentioned when it would distract from the dramatic point of the conversation.
Yeeeeeeeeeeep
At first it seemed like a slow episode that you might expect after the big episode we got last week. This episode would deal with the aftermath. But the ending was exciting and definitely moved the plot forward towards the finale. Clearly, we are not done with Edge yet.
My favorite part was the talk about what to do with 7734. It raised some really good philosophical questions. I loved Clark's point of view that he is so powerful that Earth would be totally screwed if he did lose control, or was turned evil, or corrupted, or brainwashed etc... He makes a good point that Earth has the right to protect itself. Lois also made a good point that the weapons are too dangerous if they were to fall into the wrong hands as they have the power to kill Superman. Also, Clark's speech about having to maintain absolute self-control all the time because he is so powerful and what it felt like when he did let go, even for just a moment, was well written. Good stuff!
My favorite part was the talk about what to do with 7734. It raised some really good philosophical questions. I loved Clark's point of view that he is so powerful that Earth would be totally screwed if he did lose control, or was turned evil, or corrupted, or brainwashed etc... He makes a good point that Earth has the right to protect itself. Lois also made a good point that the weapons are too dangerous if they were to fall into the wrong hands as they have the power to kill Superman. Also, Clark's speech about having to maintain absolute self-control all the time because he is so powerful and what it felt like when he did let go, even for just a moment, was well written. Good stuff!
Not next week, unfortunately -- it says August 10. So another 2 weeks off, then the final 2 episodes of the season.
OK.
I know that, but it still seems a bit strange how they haven't at least referenced the fact that Kara exists. It seemed in Supergirl that Kara and Clark were fairly close, but now it's like she doesn't even exist as far as the Kents are concerned. I guess I had been approaching this as a direct spin-offs from Supergirl, and most spin-offs tend to include some kind of acknowledgement that the parent show is around too. Even the Star Trek shows referred to each other from time to time.
Even in the comics they reference the other characters, I've been reading the Spider-Man and Capt. Marvel and both series have tons of references to the other characters, and talk a lot about the characters being Avengers.
It certainly is strange. I agree with that. I just think it's too literal-minded to think it means the show is in a separate universe. It just means that they're not taking advantage of the shared universe that the show nominally belongs to. That will surely change in the future when we get more crossovers again. The big crossovers have been popular and successful, so I can't believe Berlanti Productions or The CW would be okay with isolating Superman & Lois from the rest of the shared universe on a permanent basis.
At most, I think they're trying to make the show feel like a standalone to those new viewers it's brought in who haven't watched any of the other Arrowverse shows. After all, it does strike a very different tone from the rest of the Arrowverse, and Superman is the biggest, most famous character to have an Arrowverse series to date. So the show probably has a fair percentage of viewers who only watch it and none of the other shows. So it's logical to make the show work as if it's a standalone so as not to make those viewers confused or excluded by a lot of continuity references they don't understand.
Now, personally I don't think the occasional acknowledgment that Superman has a cousin would undermine that too much. But evidently the showrunners see things differently, and it's their show, not mine.
That continues to be a problem because Berlanti's productions are mismanaged. Continuity means nothing from one episode to the next, one series to the next, which is the reason Clark can complain that earth would be screwed if he turned evil--that's a firm acknowledgement that there's no other superheroes around to oppose him. No Supergirl (possibly until convenient--as in her series finale), Flash, or anyone else is mentioned, and he should--just to confirm that he believes they would not be powerful enough to deal with a rogue Superman. As I've said since the series start, it operates as if other superheroes do not exist, so when Diggle made his cameo, it played like the forced guest spot it was, since viewers never had the sense that Superman and Lois were in the same worlds as other Berlanti shows.
Oh good: that nonsense again.
The same people who want Superman to snap necks always seem to be the ones who call him out for humiliating a violent bully. I just don't get people.
I'll take your word for it. Kind of.
Hey, I could turn that into "The same people who want us to pay attention to an unused scene from an unreleased version of a forty year old movie seem to be the ones who want to ignore the actual climax to the last Superman film."
For most of these folks, the constant harping on this stuff is the geek equivalent of "owning the libs" -- an effort to bait and antagonize those of us who think Superman should be distinguishable from the Punisher. I've finally realized there's no point in arguing about it, or even responding.
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