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@cooleddie74, I was just about to post something about season 7 having some good episodes in it and then there's 'All Good Things...' and that makes up for all the weak episodes. But, why focus on what season is good or bad, lets pick out the best episodes from each season and focus on them. =)
 
Nothing beats the TOS engine room, though the inside of the nacelle in TAS "Once of Our Planets Is Missing" takes a close a second.

I have to say, I'm not keen on the TNG+ idea that the warp core is a single small object in the middle of the ship. I get that it's a limitation of affordable sets and special effects, as well as the dramatic necessity of needing people to have direct access to the engines, but it makes more sense to me that warp cores would be enormous (one of the very few things I like about Star Trek Into Darkness), or at the very least there's be more of them. There's ZERO reason a ship the size of the Enterprise-D doesn't have a spare warp core or three, especially given how big the nacelles are. It stretches credibility that a single 3m-diameter warp core can keep both the Enterprise-D's nacelles full of plasma when each is 280,000m³ in volume – larger than an entire Constitution class!

I also don't see why the warp core needs to be in the middle of the ship, and not in the nacelles. Matt Jeffries' original intent was that the nacelles were fully self-contained engine units. There's plenty of space in each of the Enterprise-D's nacelles for each to house a couple of Defiant warp cores.

Honestly, I'd have loved to see a TNG-era engine room that looked like the TOS "pipe cathedral" set, but the conduits in the background each look like Voyager's warp core. One thing I like about the TMP-era warp core is that it's not just a small central unit, but it's the whole horizontal and vertical shafts – it's an enormous piece of technology that runs through half the ship. The Enterprise-D's warp core is so visually boring. It's the beating heart of the Federation's largest and most powerful starship, not a central heating boiler.
 
Blimey, kicked a hornet's nest with this one! :eek:

Just to clarify – I'm talking about the consistency of Voyager's design and the application of what we might call "established Treknology" in its design, qua the TNG Technical Manual, and the fact that it has decent sets that are a decent size and feel more like they're contiguous parts of the same ship. I certainly do not regard the Intrepid class as the most beautiful or even the most desirable class of starship. Much as I also love the refit Connie and, well, don't hate the Galaxy class, neither were designed with modern Treknology in mind, and this has led to some odd retconning of details. Which is fine, and it gives fans plenty to do, but I find that Voyager has the most comprehensive and consistent hero starship design.

Comparatively speaking, the refit Connie warp and impulse drives clearly don't work in the same way as later became established during the TNG era; the Enterprise-D interiors looked really spartan on screen with incredibly cramped sets for a starship that was supposed to be the size of a city, and the ship itself had odd details such as an auxiliary navigational deflector that was clearly designed as a window; the Defiant changed size (and its nose changed shape) from scene to scene, was clearly designed to be larger than it was usually presented, and there's a lot of nonsense about where its impulse engines are that rankles to this day; and we don't really know enough details about the Sovereign or the Akira to comment conclusively, though I will say that they're both more attractive than the Intrepid (I'm not terribly keen on the Enterprise-E's bridge or main engineering sets though).
From a tech application standpoint I think the refit is the best. I never cared for TNG tech work, beyond the replicators and holodeck.
 
it's an enormous piece of technology that runs through half the ship.
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I'm sorry, I made a boo-boo.

Lower Decks's warp core now beats Voyager's. VOY's is now #2.

My brain implant was rebooting when I posted that upthread, or something. :shifty: :whistle:
 
Ha!
What about a tradition where they get married in the same ceremony as a family member/close friend and it involves both couples comitting to act as guardians to the other's children



But worldbuilding is fun.



What's "LUG"?

Last Unicorn Games -- The book is "Among the Clans" the Andorian source book.

I do plenty of world building, Andorians are a very minor part, so I don't over think it.
 
I've always thought the bridge of Voyager seems kind of odd because there's no center seat for commanding officer, just two chairs next to each other.
Basically no clear commanding officer seat.

that’s my only major quibble with Voyagers bridge. Needed a center seat like virtually every other Starfleet starship we’ve seen.

the NX-01 bridge is also pretty well designed too.
 
"But it has the finale and a few other great episodes" is no excuse for Season 7. ;)

And I'm a loud advocate of "Masks." But a few standout episodes do not a good season make.

Controversial Opinion: S7 of TNG is one of the worst seasons in the entire franchise. It’s so entirely tired and forgettable it is virtually unbearable. It makes TNG S1 and 2 look like science fiction masterpieces.
 
Voyager has the worst hero ship design (by far) and the best original theme music (by far).

TNG doesn’t count because that was the TMP theme.

controversial opinion: The USS Discovery is my second favorite television hero ship, after the TOS USS Enterprise.
 
Do Tuvok and Harry even have chairs, or do they stand in booths for their whole shift? If so, that's evil.

And TMP has the best warp core by miles. Best engineering section in general though? The Kelvinverse Enterprise. The enourmous beer brewery and Lawrence Livermore facilities look fantastic, and give an epic sense of scale no other Trek has come close to.
 
Voyager has the worst hero ship design (by far) and the best original theme music (by far).
I've never liked the VOY theme much. It's slow and rather dull, far from the rousing themes we got for TOS and TMP/TNG. A rare miss from Jerry Goldsmith.
 
TNG was largely dialing it in by Season 7. They knew it was the last year of the show and they were going to make a big-budget film so they just put in minimal story effort for much of the final season.
 
Deep Space 9 has the best Star Trek TV theme for me. Up until they ruined it with the Chariots of Fire remix from season four on.

Best movie theme? Generations. Hands down. Don't @ me.
 
That's funny, the pulsing synths . . . this show means ACTION now! With a pew-pew ship and everythin'!

VOY theme is fine music. Just not setting the tone for fun adventures. If Voy stayed a scien e ship and charted gaseous anomalies, it would be fine.
 
Voy and DS9 had by far the best theme music of the shows, with Voy being slightly better (and feeling more 'space-like'). Tng was rousing enough for its era but it's massively repetitive to the point of being annoying. Tos is kind of fun but super weird. The others aren't really worth mentioning at all. Well, I like Pic but it's an acquired taste I think, and I remember thinking Lds had a good theme, too, but I don't remember it at all yet so I can't really say anything there off the top of my head.
 
Voy and DS9 had by far the best theme music of the shows, with Voy being slightly better (and feeling more 'space-like'). Tng was rousing enough for its era but it's massively repetitive to the point of being annoying. Tos is kind of fun but super weird. The others aren't really worth mentioning at all. Well, I like Pic but it's an acquired taste I think, and I remember thinking Lds had a good theme, too, but I don't remember it at all yet so I can't really say anything there off the top of my head.

The LD theme reminds me of the generic scifi adventure tv show music that the Galaxy Quest TV show uses when the aliens show Tim Allen and Sigourney Weaver the video clips.

I think the PIC theme is amazing and beautiful. The DSC theme has never grown on me.
 
I actually like the DSC theme and at times find myself playing it more often than the series itself. It's a nice opening.
 
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