What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Season 7 of TNG is the worst final season of any previous Trek series. Yes, even TOS Season 3 is a superior season.
     
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  2. CorporalCaptain

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    On the other hand, the Voyager bridge is one of the better ones.

    Also, Voyager's warp core is possibly the best.

    Nothing beats the TOS engine room, though the inside of the nacelle in TAS "Once of Our Planets Is Missing" takes a close a second.

    But when it comes to post-TOS/TAS (production-wise) core-based engine rooms, only the TMP intermix chamber stands a chance of beating Voyager's whooshy effect on the core. The only time Voyager's core didn't look right was this one time, or maybe the few times, when the core "ran down," and they just slowed the mechanism doing the whoosing down. That broke the illusion, badly.
     
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  3. tesral

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    I don;t over think it. I go with LUG and forget about it.
     
  4. JesterFace

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    There aren't that many previous Trek series before TNG.... :)

    I've always thought the bridge of Voyager seems kind of odd because there's no center seat for commanding officer, just two chairs next to each other.
    Basically no clear commanding officer seat.
     
  5. Orphalesion

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    Ha!
    What about a tradition where they get married in the same ceremony as a family member/close friend and it involves both couples comitting to act as guardians to the other's children

    But worldbuilding is fun.

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  6. Annorax849

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    Every year I hear people speak ill of that season more and more, soon that statement won’t even be too controversial.
     
  7. cooleddie74

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    "But it has the finale and a few other great episodes" is no excuse for Season 7. ;)

    And I'm a loud advocate of "Masks." But a few standout episodes do not a good season make.
     
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  8. JesterFace

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    @cooleddie74, I was just about to post something about season 7 having some good episodes in it and then there's 'All Good Things...' and that makes up for all the weak episodes. But, why focus on what season is good or bad, lets pick out the best episodes from each season and focus on them. =)
     
  9. RichT

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    I have to say, I'm not keen on the TNG+ idea that the warp core is a single small object in the middle of the ship. I get that it's a limitation of affordable sets and special effects, as well as the dramatic necessity of needing people to have direct access to the engines, but it makes more sense to me that warp cores would be enormous (one of the very few things I like about Star Trek Into Darkness), or at the very least there's be more of them. There's ZERO reason a ship the size of the Enterprise-D doesn't have a spare warp core or three, especially given how big the nacelles are. It stretches credibility that a single 3m-diameter warp core can keep both the Enterprise-D's nacelles full of plasma when each is 280,000m³ in volume – larger than an entire Constitution class!

    I also don't see why the warp core needs to be in the middle of the ship, and not in the nacelles. Matt Jeffries' original intent was that the nacelles were fully self-contained engine units. There's plenty of space in each of the Enterprise-D's nacelles for each to house a couple of Defiant warp cores.

    Honestly, I'd have loved to see a TNG-era engine room that looked like the TOS "pipe cathedral" set, but the conduits in the background each look like Voyager's warp core. One thing I like about the TMP-era warp core is that it's not just a small central unit, but it's the whole horizontal and vertical shafts – it's an enormous piece of technology that runs through half the ship. The Enterprise-D's warp core is so visually boring. It's the beating heart of the Federation's largest and most powerful starship, not a central heating boiler.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    From a tech application standpoint I think the refit is the best. I never cared for TNG tech work, beyond the replicators and holodeck.
     
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    I'm sorry, I made a boo-boo.

    Lower Decks's warp core now beats Voyager's. VOY's is now #2.

    My brain implant was rebooting when I posted that upthread, or something. :shifty: :whistle:
     
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    I do plenty of world building, Andorians are a very minor part, so I don't over think it.
     
  14. Paul755

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    that’s my only major quibble with Voyagers bridge. Needed a center seat like virtually every other Starfleet starship we’ve seen.

    the NX-01 bridge is also pretty well designed too.
     
  15. Vger23

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    Controversial Opinion: S7 of TNG is one of the worst seasons in the entire franchise. It’s so entirely tired and forgettable it is virtually unbearable. It makes TNG S1 and 2 look like science fiction masterpieces.
     
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  16. Vger23

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    Voyager has the worst hero ship design (by far) and the best original theme music (by far).

    TNG doesn’t count because that was the TMP theme.

    controversial opinion: The USS Discovery is my second favorite television hero ship, after the TOS USS Enterprise.
     
  17. F. King Daniel

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    Do Tuvok and Harry even have chairs, or do they stand in booths for their whole shift? If so, that's evil.

    And TMP has the best warp core by miles. Best engineering section in general though? The Kelvinverse Enterprise. The enourmous beer brewery and Lawrence Livermore facilities look fantastic, and give an epic sense of scale no other Trek has come close to.
     
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    Those should have been ground installations…which they are.
     
  19. Farscape One

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    Tuvok and Harry do have chairs at their stations.
     
  20. JonnyQuest037

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    I've never liked the VOY theme much. It's slow and rather dull, far from the rousing themes we got for TOS and TMP/TNG. A rare miss from Jerry Goldsmith.