Indeed. That 'honor' goes to the Discovery.
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Voyager looks like a garden trowl, and I hate it's tiny atrophied nacelles. Discovery looks soooo much better.
The Defiant probably gets my vote simply because it doesn't look like a Star Trek ship. Use SOME of the design cues, guys.
The Defiant probably gets my vote simply because it doesn't look like a Star Trek ship. Use SOME of the design cues, guys.
It goes beyond that into specifics of Andorian evolution and biology that aren't outright said and are probably only true in my head.
Basically my headcanon that allows both things about Andorians to be true:
The specific Andorian genders actually evolved from something like eusocial insect biological caste.
Andorians using conventional male/female descriptions offworld isn't because non-Andorians can't wrap their minds around Andorian gender - that can't be so because 1) Trekkers have been dealing with experimental gender stories forever, 2) in-universe, there are other cases where a species has a different gender system from conventional 20th century human, and we don't have a problem wrapping our minds around it.
So what I figured was that their social organization actually evolved from something much more alien than simply having four people who each do a thing to produce young. And it's actually Deranged Nasat and DS9Continuing on here that got me thinking: what if what we're seeing is not something that neatly maps to gender in humans... but something evolved long ago from ant-style eusocial reproductive caste? (And yes, they COULD have evolved, onworld, from a 2-sex ancestor species.) The specific reproductive caste is one of the things determined within the zhavey's pouch.
I feel like this is kinda implied but never outright said, or perhaps I forgot where it was said, and maybe it's YMMV.
Of course they didn't want to explain their gender system or reproduction to offworlders, there may be historic precedent for not wanting to go into the specifics of clan organization to outsiders.
My general approach to writing Andorians is to headcanon that their culture evolved from eusociality.
If anyone's not tired of this topic already, I have a ton of headcanons over at https://www.pillowfort.social/alienpants
which is my worldbuilding blog, though at the moment it's 90% dev notes for my fanfiction and RPG campaigns.
Granted, all of this could be completely contradicted in a few months or years by canon. So it goes...
Of course the shows never say that there are four Andorian genders or sexes.
Data just says at one point that traditional Andorian weddings require "four people". There being four sexes is just something Beta-Canon made up.
For all we know an Andorian marriage just traditionally includes four individuals who are either male or female (the most traditional one maybe being two males and two females, or it could be something more unusual as each Andorian woman traditionally having three husbands or something) or the ceremony just requires two couples being married at the same time.
Another idea could be that, with the Andorians being characterized as a warlike species, there could have been a lack of males during some parts of their history, due to them falling in battle, so each male was required to have three wives to keep the genepool reasonably healthy, and the tradition stems from that.
Or perhaps homosexuality is the dominant orientation among Andorians, but a pair of homosexual Andorian women is "bonded" to a pair of homosexual Andorian males for the purpose of producing offspring with each other.
Data just says at one point that traditional Andorian weddings require "four people". There being four sexes is just something Beta-Canon made up.
For all we know an Andorian marriage just traditionally includes four individuals who are either male or female (the most traditional one maybe being two males and two females, or it could be something more unusual as each Andorian woman traditionally having three husbands or something) or the ceremony just requires two couples being married at the same time.
Another idea could be that, with the Andorians being characterized as a warlike species, there could have been a lack of males during some parts of their history, due to them falling in battle, so each male was required to have three wives to keep the genepool reasonably healthy, and the tradition stems from that.
Or perhaps homosexuality is the dominant orientation among Andorians, but a pair of homosexual Andorian women is "bonded" to a pair of homosexual Andorian males for the purpose of producing offspring with each other.
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Better than the ENTERPRISE-D, the Defiant and the NX 01. The Constitution class, whether in TOS, TMP, Kelvin or Discovery is the best.
A few centuries ago the costs for Andorian marriage ceremonies skyrocketed, so to save money Andorians started to marry two couples at once
The Sovereign and Akira classes would like a word.
The Enterprise-E is a Maserati Quattroporte, The Akira class is an Aston Martin DB11, Voyager is a Honda Accord. It's not the worst, it's just meh.
The Fiat Multipla and Citroën C4 Cactus of the Star Trek world being the Olympic and Oberth classes, of course.
The one thing VOY does best is the theme song.
I'd rank the theme songs as follows:
VOY>LD>TNG>PIC>ENT (mirror)>TOS>DS9>DSC>TAS>>>>>>>>>>>ENT( first version)>ENT (second version)
Edit: just listened to the TAS theme. It's bad, but not "Faith of the Heart" bad.
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Voyager gets my vote for ugliest hero ship, with the NX-01 a close second.
Probably, but I’m with you, at least. I did a rewatch a few years ago and was surprised at how bad some of it was.
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Blimey, kicked a hornet's nest with this one!
Just to clarify – I'm talking about the consistency of Voyager's design and the application of what we might call "established Treknology" in its design, qua the TNG Technical Manual, and the fact that it has decent sets that are a decent size and feel more like they're contiguous parts of the same ship. I certainly do not regard the Intrepid class as the most beautiful or even the most desirable class of starship. Much as I also love the refit Connie and, well, don't hate the Galaxy class, neither were designed with modern Treknology in mind, and this has led to some odd retconning of details. Which is fine, and it gives fans plenty to do, but I find that Voyager has the most comprehensive and consistent hero starship design.
Comparatively speaking, the refit Connie warp and impulse drives clearly don't work in the same way as later became established during the TNG era; the Enterprise-D interiors looked really spartan on screen with incredibly cramped sets for a starship that was supposed to be the size of a city, and the ship itself had odd details such as an auxiliary navigational deflector that was clearly designed as a window; the Defiant changed size (and its nose changed shape) from scene to scene, was clearly designed to be larger than it was usually presented, and there's a lot of nonsense about where its impulse engines are that rankles to this day; and we don't really know enough details about the Sovereign or the Akira to comment conclusively, though I will say that they're both more attractive than the Intrepid (I'm not terribly keen on the Enterprise-E's bridge or main engineering sets though).
Season 7 of TNG is the worst final season of any previous Trek series. Yes, even TOS Season 3 is a superior season.
On the other hand, the Voyager bridge is one of the better ones.
Also, Voyager's warp core is possibly the best.
Nothing beats the TOS engine room, though the inside of the nacelle in TAS "Once of Our Planets Is Missing" takes a close a second.
But when it comes to post-TOS/TAS (production-wise) core-based engine rooms, only the TMP intermix chamber stands a chance of beating Voyager's whooshy effect on the core. The only time Voyager's core didn't look right was this one time, or maybe the few times, when the core "ran down," and they just slowed the mechanism doing the whoosing down. That broke the illusion, badly.
Also, Voyager's warp core is possibly the best.
Nothing beats the TOS engine room, though the inside of the nacelle in TAS "Once of Our Planets Is Missing" takes a close a second.
But when it comes to post-TOS/TAS (production-wise) core-based engine rooms, only the TMP intermix chamber stands a chance of beating Voyager's whooshy effect on the core. The only time Voyager's core didn't look right was this one time, or maybe the few times, when the core "ran down," and they just slowed the mechanism doing the whoosing down. That broke the illusion, badly.
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I don;t over think it. I go with LUG and forget about it.
There aren't that many previous Trek series before TNG....
I've always thought the bridge of Voyager seems kind of odd because there's no center seat for commanding officer, just two chairs next to each other.
Basically no clear commanding officer seat.
Ha!A few centuries ago the costs for Andorian marriage ceremonies skyrocketed, so to save money Andorians started to marry two couples at once
What about a tradition where they get married in the same ceremony as a family member/close friend and it involves both couples comitting to act as guardians to the other's children
But worldbuilding is fun.
What's "LUG"?
Every year I hear people speak ill of that season more and more, soon that statement won’t even be too controversial.
"But it has the finale and a few other great episodes" is no excuse for Season 7. 
And I'm a loud advocate of "Masks." But a few standout episodes do not a good season make.
And I'm a loud advocate of "Masks." But a few standout episodes do not a good season make.
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