But he's from the FUTURE. I'm thinking it was Berman from like 2007 projecting himself into episodes to make it more interesting. In the original timeline it only lasted three seasons so it helped a little.
Who was the being from the Future?
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But he's from the FUTURE. I'm thinking it was Berman from like 2007 projecting himself into episodes to make it more interesting. In the original timeline it only lasted three seasons so it helped a little.
It makes sense if its Future Archer manipulating events, to prevent rash decisions from United Earth. Like say declaring war on Romulus a couple of years earlier. Due to Earth not being ready to face the Romulans in the early 2150s as they haven’t formed the necessary alliances to be a match for them. Or Starfleet not yet having enough experience with deep space exploration.
There is some reference to temporal conflicts in DSC S3.
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I hoped Future Guy was not rooting for Archer to change the future but to restore it.I've mellowed over the years about retconning. Looking at it from a writer's perspective, when you see a better thing from a writing standpoint, you want to change the old thing that was cheap or inefficient or whatever. So okay. When they go to some trouble to explain the retconning, rather than just act like the old thing didn't exist, I respect that.
About Future Guy... he's intriguing, because he wanted Archer to win the war and change the future. I keep thinking he's the 29th century version of whoever was sending Sam Beckett out on his missions to set things right in Quantum Leap.The reason could have been as simple as, we don't want our universe taken over by the Sphere-Builders. A common enemy for the whole galaxy.
In the novels Future Guy definitely had his own agenda. He helped Archer because it served his own ends. Ultimately, of course, the future was restored as it was supposed to be, and Future Guy was an unwitting part of that.
I've mellowed over the years about retconning. Looking at it from a writer's perspective, when you see a better thing from a writing standpoint, you want to change the old thing that was cheap or inefficient or whatever. So okay. When they go to some trouble to explain the retconning, rather than just act like the old thing didn't exist, I respect that.
About Future Guy... he's intriguing, because he wanted Archer to win the war and change the future. I keep thinking he's the 29th century version of whoever was sending Sam Beckett out on his missions to set things right in Quantum Leap.
Yes, originally the NX was destroyed, and they needed to set Archer on the path to saving the galaxy / forming the Federation. In my opinion, the cause of all of this was First Contact, and changes to the timeline from the movie and the existance of Borg Drones and whatever else wasn't in the original TOS timeline causing the Sphere Builders to come to power initially.
We don’t know who that was.
If Star Trek TV programs were all considered canon, and ultimately the future was restored; would this explain why DISCO & Strange New World's costumes, interior and exterior ships doesn't remotely feel or resemble TOS The Cage or Kirk's tour of duty on the Enterprise? Where characters such as Spock, Pike, and even #1 doesn't look anything like the characters I love from TOS? And the Enterprise herself is completely altered, even in PICARD that piece of shit design is represented in the pilot as if the great and icon work done by Matt Jefferies never existed.
I suppose you could use that argument to justify the design changes we have seen. The novel was written a few years before Discovery was even announced so that wouldn't be part of the original story. But it doesn't stop anyone from retroactively adding that in
. I'm not sure there's really any way to explain why the characters do not look like their original counterparts. That I guess you just have to chalk up to different actors/actresses playing the parts.Novels have occasionally tried to explain design and story inconsistencies. For instance, the Romulan War novels tried to offer an explanation as to why the original series set design "appeared" less advanced than what we saw in Enterprise.
I'm not a fan of the set design in Discovery either. It seemed like they were more advanced than the 24th century shows and I always had a hard time reconciling Discovery taking place 10 years before the original series (well, the first 2 seasons anyway). And don't even get me started on spore drive
I never understood that--a drive that can take you instantaneously anywhere, I can't imagine Starfleet would ever abandon that completely. Their, um, resolution to that was clumsy at best.I just wish they moved the shows forward into the future. I never understood why they tried to cram Discovery into the original series era, other than tying Burnham into Spock's family. It would have been better if they just moved it into the future in the first place. It never 'felt' like an original series era show to me. At best it looks like a reimaging, or a total reboot.
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Discovery’s viewscreen is consistent with the viewscreen of the USS Kelvin. But the bridge is way too big for its time.
The forcefield for the shuttlebay is consistent with the Miranda class and Soyuz class, confirming it was a 23rd century trend.
The lack of food cards for the food processor seen during TOS, and existence of the holocommunicator was advanced for its time. But maybe Starfleet was more technically advance at that time then we were led to believe. Didn’t they have clothing transporters built into sonic showers in TMP that we never saw again, that Ilia used?
As for the interior of the USS Enterprise…maybe Kirk liked the retro style more and saw the update to the bridge unnecessarily dark. While Pike just ripped out the holocommunicator, Kirk ripped out the entire bridge design, and replaced the nacelles.
And as for the timeline being restored, Daniels was a con man, as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise, Archer and his crew would have vanished when the TCW ended and the timeline "reset" itself, since the NX-01 was supposed to be destroyed in its first year.
After Disco Season 3 i think there's a very high chance that Kovich will be revealed to be Future Guy either in the show, a upcoming novel or comic
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Or the NX-01 never originally launched that early, if there was no Temporal Cold War and no Suliban hunting Klaang on earth. The Xindi attack on earth probably shouldn't have happened either, if the timeline was reset.
This. The NX wasn't supposed to be destroyed; it wasn't supposed to be launched this early; that wasn't the original first contact with the Klingons, etc.
The entire path to the Federation forming was thrown off when the timeline was altered in First Contact.
The TOS timeline was diverted.
The Sphere Builders came to power.
Someone in the future was either protected from the rewrites, or had a Guinan-style sixth sense. They tried to fix the timeline and restore the original. Thus the Temporal Cold War is born.
The correct dominoes all had to be put into play at precise times, to nudge the timeline back into a place where the Federation was formed in a manner similar to its original timeline.
There was no way to get it perfect. New technology from either the future, the Borg Drone, or both, were all introduced.
Section 31 became more officially sanctioned. Things progressed slightly differently.
The 23rd century, as a result, unfolds a bit differently.
By the time the 24th century comes around, most things had been nudged back into place, but not completely. Enough where no one noticed anything major after their FC return, anyways. Changed enough where Picard can happen, anyways.
That's exactly how deal with these changes in my headcanon too.
And it also perfectly explains the changes to the Borg from TNG to FC/VOY.
I believe before FC no one beside of Guinan (and possibly some El Aurian survivors who also kept their knowledge to themselves) knew anything about the Borg and Annika Hanson as well as her parents were never assimilated.
There's a theory that it could be Archer himself.
Yeah. Wasn't it Braga's original plan?
Still possible, but with the new information about the Temporal Wars i think Kovich is the more likely suspect.
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Agreed completely. Later shows contradict so much from TOS and even early TNG. This explains everything, down to the warp 5 prototype being named Enterprise instead of whatever it was originally called, to the appearance of the Kelvin, and so much more.
This is nothing compared to Archer getting to Chronos in a couple of days when it's more than a thousand light-years away!!!
I don’t think it’s a contradiction. Cleary, relations did not sour immediately with a bang like some of the other early first contacts Archer had - or the opening to IAMD - but relations still weren’t great. Within a span of four years, Archer managed to become a twice-escaped fugitive, disrespect Klingon traditions, contributed to the Klingon Augment virus by failing to stop the Augments before reaching Klingon space, and then helped the Klingons synthesize a cure for said virus when the Klingons were content to wipe out the infected colony altogether, creating human looking Klingons in the process. It was even hinted that the words said to Archer when he stepped foot on Qonos weren’t pleasantries of any sort. And the hinted loss of positions for affected Klingons at the end of “Divergence” may have led to a Klingon civil war of some sorts among the houses between the founding of the Federation and the start of the Federation-Klingon Cold War. Which would be ironic, since the events of “Broken Bow” were to help prevent the Suliban Cabal from starting a civil war among the Klingon houses to begin with.
I don’t think its difficult to believe that the Klingons let negative feelings over Archer fester for a period of over 60 years, up to the negative first contact between the Federation and the Klingons in the early 2220s. A Federation that sees Archer as a hero, and likely inspired by his early missions to the point that there is an interest to visit the same worlds he did for themselves. My headcanon is that the first 25 years of the Federation-Klingon Cold War is basically just the Klingons wanting Archer turned over for crimes against the Klingon Empire, which the Federation was never going to agree with. And in 2245 – the Federation’s last chance to turn him over – they failed to do so. Then Archer dies the day after the Enterprise is launched under Captain Robert April, the Klingons find out about it and are outraged he escaped justice, and his death is what caused the Battle of Donatu V.
When Picard mentions the whole bit of first contact with the Klingons being disastrous to the point that surveillance is needed first before contact, he’s clearly saying that the Federation in its early years – an era where Archer was now a politician and became Federation President - dropped the ball on monitoring the Klingons to see if they were up to saying hello after decades of radio silence. As if they did prior to contact, they could have avoided the Federation-Klingon Cold War altogether.
It can best explain in the same way Archer managed to visited 2004 Earth, WW2, and the 26th century when those should not have been possible either. Time travel did it.
I'm not sure why you would think this.
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