Spoilers 31st/32nd Century Ships Revealed

[Tuskin38]

Curiously, the nacelles appear attached in all images

Not all, they're detached in that shot launching Book's ship.
They're also detached in most of the shots of the video I linked yesterday.

According to the lead ship artist the nacelles will always be disconnected, no matter what parts you use, and if you use the refit parts on the other variants, those nacelles won't detach. I'm guessing it's a technical limitation, they can't tie the detach animation to an individual part.

 

[Markonian]

Thank you for clearing that up!
I didn't notice that. Oh well, less GamePrinting then.

Meanwhile, I failed to consider the kitbashing with the other models. It's gonna be fun to see how a mish-mash Crossfield's gonna look!

 

[Markonian]

The non-canon, licensed ST: Discovery novel Wonderlands has been released!
It does not reference the Wanderer-class (which I had been secretly hoping for). According to Bernd Schneider on Ex Astris, Scientia, the Wanderer-class is a reuse of a damaged Shepard-class model.

Spoiler: Novel ship types and facilities

Burnham's ship from the "People of Earth" flashback is identified as a Nirvana-class flyer. She named it Alice.
An Eden-class vessel is mentioned to be destroyed during the Burn but we learn no details other than it's Federation, warp-capable, and can carry several people.
Remaining outside Emerald Chain territory, we deal instead with the White Palm organization.
Sahil's unnamed Federation relay station is named Former Federation Spaceport Devaloka. It is smaller than Starbase 906.

 

[Tuskin38]

I didn't notice that. Oh well, less GamePrinting then.

I mean you could still print the model, just apply it to one of the other Crossfield variants.

 

[Tuskin38]

32nd Century Constitution Class Render from Hero Collector

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1396195356245962754

 

[Markonian]

32nd Century Constitution Class Render from Hero Collector

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1396195356245962754

Interestingly, the text specifies that is not a brand-new ship class that inherits the name Constitution, but the result of refitting the 23rd century Constitution class over the millennium.

This is what I thought happened to the Intrepid-class (Janeway-subclass).
Because this Connie appears larger and holds a speculated crew of 2000, I believed it was a brand new class.

Intriguing!

 

[Tuskin38]

, but the result of refitting the 23rd century Constitution class over the millennium.

That's not what it says. It says the design was refined over the centuries, it's not a refit.

(Janeway-subclass

That's still not an official or canon designation.

 

[David cgc]

Interestingly, the text specifies that is not a brand-new ship class that inherits the name Constitution, but the result of refitting the 23rd century Constitution class over the millennium.

Gotta say, this is not the way I was hoping to be vindicated in my stubborn belief that there were still Connies flying around off-screen in the TNG-era.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I don't think any of them are a 32nd century starship of Theseus. Even that seed ship was probably just the vault part put into newer externals.

 

[publiusr]

32nd Century Constitution Class Render from Hero Collector

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1396195356245962754

That is lovely...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Interestingly, the text specifies that is not a brand-new ship class that inherits the name Constitution, but the result of refitting the 23rd century Constitution class over the millennium.

This is what I thought happened to the Intrepid-class (Janeway-subclass).
Because this Connie appears larger and holds a speculated crew of 2000, I believed it was a brand new class.

Intriguing!

When I read it, I took it as them referring to the basic saucer/hull/nacelles layout but yeah it could be a nth-generation refit like the Intrepid.

I once saw an old fan-made set of blueprints which existed to justify the USS Constellation having that NCC-1017 registery number. It was originally a Daedalus-class, but was upgraded first with a Connie saucer then years later a Connie engineering hull. Ship of Thesius in Trek as far back as the 1980's.

 

[Markonian]

The updated Shipyards book includes the Akira class, Titan, Cerritos, Vancouver, Wallenberg tug, several (?) Inquiry class variants, and twelve 32nd century ships!

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/...94-to-the-future-2nd-edition-by-ben-robinson/

It does not seem to include the "USS Excalibur" that was announced for the ST Universe collection, but maybe it has a different ship of the same class instead?

I hope the USS Armstrong entry lists all the sister ships. We know about the USS Noble (NCC-325002), the Cuyahoga also seemed to be a Connie, and then there's the Excalibur (NCC-1664-M).

Wikipedia reveals the USS Thant may be named for Thant, a Burmese diplomat and third secretary general of the UN.

Jörg Hillebrand reckons that's the long, stingray-looking vessel. Tweet: https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1396475172060811268

The only Liu Cixin on Wikipedia is a successful Chinese science fiction author.

That's still not an official or canon designation.

I'm using the term for easier differentiation. It's licensed and non-canon.

To clarify, the class being refitted over the centuries does not mean every ship of that class lasts centuries.
Think of the VW Golf or Opel Astra that have new generations put out every couple of years. Doesn't mean my 20yo Astra is gonna get a refit and last until the final Astra generation comes out.

 

[Timo]

It's too bad that we're talking about a number of different levels or types of, well, canonicity here, but the folks "making these starships" for Eaglemoss (and perhaps for CBS already) don't see the nuances.

With the Tikhov, it's not obvious from the writing and the visuals which permutation of these happened:

1) Writers thought the original 23rd century ship serves on / thought a modern successor now exists
2) Okudagram artists, ditto
3) VFX artists, ditto

The end result sorta suggests 1A, 2B, 3B, so B wins by simple majority.

With the Armstrong, we face the same issues.

1) Writing about "is this the new Constitution?" makes zero sense even if we assume Owo uses previously unknown psychic powers to divine the class of the ship - why would she formulate her esoteric knowledge as a question, then? It is pretty clear the writers wanted her to simply express the feeling that this design is what reminds her of the old Constitution the most, either in design or then in apparent role (and she could plausibly see the former but probably not the latter).
2) The heroes have no access to Okudagrams: they use their own scanners to glean facts. But:
3) VFX artists put the letter suffices on just two ships there, and NCC-1664-M has identical sister ships that lack the suffix. So it's extremely unlikely that the intent of the artists would have been for the suffix to reflect refit status, when zero and M refits yield the same end result. But the Armstrong if any sure looks like an old Constitution, out of this lot.

So it looks like 1B, 2???, 3B, again giving B the victory, now without opposition.

The big question there is, is it actually 2A? That is, later on we do see an Okudagram depicting a ship of this type. We can't read "Constitution class" there, unlike in the case of the neo-Intrepid. And it actually looks like the writing on the off-focus Okudagram is in the nonsense script favored by Booker, rather than in English/Latin alphabet. But perhaps the text is there nevertheless, indicating the Okudagram writers didn't understand what the dialogue writers intended. B still wins by simple majority.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Looking at the twitter feed, it feels to me that one of those named ships from the list of contents must belong to a class that was not part of the fleet at Federation HQ. Maybe it was a background ship in the Burn destruction sequence?

 

[Tuskin38]

Pretty sure every class seen in the flashback was seen at the HQ.

 

[Dukhat]

When I read it, I took it as them referring to the basic saucer/hull/nacelles layout but yeah it could be a nth-generation refit like the Intrepid.

I once saw an old fan-made set of blueprints which existed to justify the USS Constellation having that NCC-1017 registery number. It was originally a Daedalus-class, but was upgraded first with a Connie saucer then years later a Connie engineering hull. Ship of Thesius in Trek as far back as the 1980's.

I feel like whoever wrote that blurb was being intentionally vague about whether the ship was a refit of the original Constitution class or a new design with the same name, based solely on Owo’s comment, since there’s no way she would have known the class name of that particular ship, and that she was most likely comparing its design to a ship class she was familiar with from her own time. Like the examples of the Tikhov and the Voyager-J, the dialogue about these ships just seems awkward in context. I myself feel that these are new ships with tribute class names, not refits of the older ships with those class names, especially since the size of the newer ships seems much larger than their 23rd/24th century counterparts.

 

[Timo]

As for NCC-1017, we have already seen so many onscreen variants of NCC-1701 that I don't feel the need to believe in Daedalus (or its Horizon successor, as the fanfic usually goes) origins: it suffices for the "original Constitution", NCC-1000 or whatever, to have been like one of 'em more NX-01-style variants of NCC-1701 already seen.

Indeed, the Discoprise IMHO looks like the "oldest-fashioned" take on the design, with the metal shine, the bulky nacelles, the NX-01 style pylons and scoops and field windows and whatnot. Perhaps soon after SNW is when the design finally is dragged, kicking and screaming, to the 2220s? And then again dragged all the way to the early 2260s in the 2270s refit... "Cutting edge" is for dullards.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

Star Trek has shown us ships functioning just fine after 100+ years ("E2", the old Hathaway in "Peak Performance" etc) and even 1000 ("Calypso") so I don't see any reason for old ships to remain in service when you factor in magic far-future technology.

Admittedly Trek swings the other way too, with the classic Enterprise being retired after 20 years in STIII, and the NX-01 after just 10 in TATV. But it's pick and choose your continuity at this point. I like to think the Excelsior reference in Voyager was to Sulu's ship from STVI. And it's possible Sisko's ship at the start of DS9 was a repaired, upgraded and renumbered version of the ship seen at the start of STIV.

 

[Timo]

...And his ship at the start of "The Search" a repaired, upgraded and renumbered version of the ship ultimately rescued from the Mirror Universe where the Tholians lured her.

I could buy the idea of a ship continuing to serve across geological ages when said ship has no identical sisters with modern registries. In DSC, the existence of these sisters is what disabuses me of the idea that the letter suffix would denote refit iterations. In the case of the neo-Constitution, that is; the Tikhov could swing either way if need be, having no sisters, while the registries of the neo-Intrepid design are so far limited to a single suffixed one.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Markonian]

Okay, here's the current list of known craft, now including the Shipyards: Starfleet Ships 2294 - The Future and DSC: Wonderlands tidbits:
Future Starfleet ships of Star Trek: Discovery (31st – 32nd century)

1. USS Discovery (NCC-1031-A, Crossfield class), active (3189)
2. USS Tikhov (NCC-1067-M, seed-vault ship), active (3189)
3. USS Excalibur (NCC-1664-M, Constitution class), active (3189)
4. USS Yelchin (NCC-4774-E, Black Box #1), destroyed (3069)
5. USS Voyager (NCC-74656-J, Intrepid (Janeway) class), active (3189)
6. KSF Khi’eth (KSF- 971014, Kelpien research vessel), wrecked (3064)
7. USS Armstrong (NCC-317856, Constitution class), active (3189)
8. USS Giacconi (NCC-316608, Black Box #3), destroyed (3069)
9. USS Noble (NCC-325002, Constitution class), active (3189)
10. USS Dresselhaus (NCC-325019, Dresselhaus type), active (3189)
11. USS Le Guin (NCC-325060, Mars class), active (3189)
12. USS Maathai (NCC-325023, Angelou class), active (3189)
13. USS Annan (NCC-325051, Saturn class), active (3189)
14. USS Jubayr (NCC-325068, Courage class), active (3189)
15. USS Nog (NCC-325070, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
16. USS Hansando (NCC-325072, Courage class), active (3189)
17. USS Song (NCC-325084, Courage class), active (3189)

Unknown registry number:

18. USS Curie (NCC-…, Curie type), active (3189)
19. USS Cuyahoga (NCC-…, Constitution class), active (3189)
20. USS Coloma (NCC-…, mining vessel), active (3189)
21. USS Gav’Nor (NCC-…, unknown, Black Box #2), destroyed (3069)
22. USS Hiraga Gennai (NCC-…, unknown), destroyed (3064)
23. USS Liu Cixin (NCC-…, unknown), active (3189)
24. USS Maryam Mirzakhani (NCC-…, science vessel), destroyed (3064)
25. USS Thant (NCC-…, unknown), active (3189)
26. SS Foresight (civilian emergency transport), active (3189)
27. Wanderer class
28. Nirvana-class flyer Alice (Burnham’s courier ship)