Before we know it it will be Caprica all over again
Personal transporters---what??
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I don't know about that...... They're not holding goldfish for ransom yet
idk seemed find to me.
It's about as long as the Discovery's shuttlebay is wide.
The part on the port side seemed to be the only livable space, the rest is cargo.
Dimensionally transcendental
There doesn't seem to be anything dimensionally transcendal about Booker's ship.
Its ability to morph seems to be nothing more than a combo of advanced wirelessly connected parts that can maintain a certain (large) distance from each other while changing their locations and interlock with each other magnetically (or something similar to magnets - possibly with geometrically changing forcefields) similarly to how a Galaxy class can re-assemble its saucer, but obviously done far faster (and without physical interlocks), and some other bits like retractable hulls (similar to an origami - which we are doing with nanorobots, and even programmable metamaterials were suggested back in 1970-ies that can effectively assemble themselves in a given shape like a house, and then under different conditions go back to an original form).
Other than that, you're looking at a ship which is probably made of many different parts that are connected wirelessly (probably via forcefields of fields which keep the hulls in place even if the power is out), and I'd surmise that programmable matter can reconfigure the shape as well at will (which I wouldn't be surprised).
Voyager developed deployable hull armor which is basically beamed into place from large emitters (aka huge pattern buffers which can repair the damaged armor by reconfiguring the pattern directly and taking in some energy - each time the armor is dematerialized and held in the pattern buffer, its reconfigured to its original intact shape... but if it was damaged, like replicators, it will take energy from the warp core to rematerialize the pattern in a repaired state) and held with forcefields.
The writers didn't really portray anything 'truly advanced' on DSC that would be note-worthy for the 32nd century if you ask me.
They barely moved the needle by a few decades... maybe 50 years at most (post Voyager)... certainly not 800 odd years.
They hadn't even mentioned the TARDIS technology at all... nor anything multi-dimensional (even though that would have been a thing about 100 years after Voyager already).
Well there was that Earth pod they found in Enteprise which was bigger on the inside and that was from around the 32nd century I think.
If that was the only thing, I'd still not be impressed. No Dyson Spheres (or at least Swarms), no extra galactic UFP, no different and far more advanced power sources which wouldn't need dilithium, no faster than Warp technology which is used daily (slipstream was mentioned yes, and TW tunnels, but the writers missed the established canon on those completely), etc.
Given the UFP actively developed temporal technology by the 26th century as TNG described... TARDIS technology would have (logically) been in use long before the Temporal Wars began.
Besides, that pod was speculated to have been from 130 odd years before Discovery arrived in the future (we also don't know if it belonged to the Federation or someone else - it was used by someone who was seemingly a human and had DNA from dozens of species, but it could have been anyone really who abided by the Temporal Accords).
The said TARDIS tech was never mentioned by name in the 32nd century or that Discovery had it... if it was, it would have given an explanation behind 4x larger interior seen inside Discovery's bowels in the last episode of season 3 where the turboshafts are (which in turn could have been used to install a ridiculous amount of 32nd century advanced power generators like fusion, Tetryon reactors and thermionics for example which would generate MORE than enough power than a regular M/AM reactor (because science and technology evolve exponentially and a single such generator would have been radically more powerful and reliable than a Warp core from 100 years before) and wouldn't need dilithium for channeling those reactions (which would also bypass the Burn - aka, Su'Kal screams, but there's no dilithium to destroy anything - which realistically would have gone to the dustbin by early 25th century at the latest).
We also don't know if that TARDIS tech was based on temporal technology... aka needed it to run (seeing how it came from a time that used temporal technology to a massive extent - possibly during the Temporal Wars). If it did, then with the conclusion of the Temporal Wars, the ban on any/all temporal technology may have gotten rid of the TARDIS tech too.
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I'm kind of disappointed the USS Relativity or a descendant ship of hers never made an appearance in Disco.
Who cares how it works??? As long as this device can move the course of the plot.
We can't be sure that pod came from Earth. We have no idea, really.
Its pilot was part human, yes. But that doesn't mean anything.
That's a good point.
Hey another thing I just noticed. How the heck did the Tholians know about the pod if they were in the present only? I can understand why the Suliban would know because of Future Guy but how did the Tholians know about it?
The Tholians could also have been working with Future Guy, or at least *a* Future Guy.
Or perhaps they'd simply received intelligence reports that the pod was from another time, and even if they didn't know when, they suspected it must have some value and thus tried to get ahold of it even without knowing where or when it came from.
Or perhaps they'd simply received intelligence reports that the pod was from another time, and even if they didn't know when, they suspected it must have some value and thus tried to get ahold of it even without knowing where or when it came from.
Damn Tholians can't mind their own business.
Or they simply had better sensors.
Remember that in the first 2 seasons, the NX-01's systems weren't considered particularly advanced by species such as Vulcans or Andorians... heck, to them, the NX-01 seemed somewhat of an 'amusement' in how 'outdated' it seemed... even though it was able to hold on its own fairly well, though it definitely wasn't on par with Vulcan or Andorian ships of the time.
It wasn't until seasons 3 (more phase canons, photonic torpedoes, improved sensors, hull plating and warp drive) and 4 (more of the same) that Starfleet upgraded the NX-01 more substantially to bring it much closer in line with other species... heck, they managed to develop Photonic torpedoes only 2 years after NX-01 launched (and that could have been in part due to Reed being on board Klingon raptor - may have gotten some basic info on them that he may have forwarded to Starfleet).
And sensors would have been advanced accordingly based on the NX-01's previous encounters.
At any rate, the Tholians may have had more experience with temporal anomalies by that point and could have detected the pod themselves... or its possible that they also had a connection to someone from the future... but given that we've seen the Tholians only once during Enterprise, this seems either unlikely, or that if they were communicating with someone from the future, their efforts were focused elsewhere.
Curiously, I don't think sensor improvements were ever mentioned when the hero ship got upgraded. It seemed more like T'Pol being aboard made all the difference in understanding what the primitive instruments were showing or failing to show...
But yeah, the Tholians probably knew a thing or two more about sensing than the heroes or even their allies did. They also managed to go trans-universes with the Defiant and all, while the other players did not, not even in the 23rd century.
Timo Saloniemi
But yeah, the Tholians probably knew a thing or two more about sensing than the heroes or even their allies did. They also managed to go trans-universes with the Defiant and all, while the other players did not, not even in the 23rd century.
Timo Saloniemi
Degra mentioned in Season 3 the NX-01 had impressively detailed sensor scans of the Sphere's interior... and the Xindi were technologically more developed than Vulcans and Andorians (arguably much more considering the Andorians wanted the schematics for the planet killer weapon and had the subspace vortex technology which was far faster than Warp - or at least the Sphere Builders version of Quantum Slipstream given the identical SFX - no doubt the Xindi advancement was accelerated by their alliance with the Sphere Builders).
Trans-universe tech didn't seem foreign to Starfleet.. I just don't think they were particularly interested in using it that much considering they had a pretty big universe to play around in (their own)... that and the writers were obviously downplaying the powerful technology quite a bit in an attempt to not make thins 'too easy'.
The exact line was he was impressed to find scans of that detail from a warship, which implies the Xindi probably are capable of scans as detailed, you just aren't going to find such sensors on one of their warships.
Yes, but either way, the Xindi were a lot more technologically developed compared to Earth (and similarly more developed than Vulcans and Andorians in several areas) and its likely that NX-01's sensors from seasons 1 and 2 (prior to the S3 refit) wouldn't be able to capture some of the detail Degra spoke about.
Also, in the very first season of ENT, NX-01's sensors weren't good enough to detect residual engine emissions from Suliban ships... however, T'Pol was able to make modifications to the sensors which allowed them to do so in the field.
During its first 2 seasons, NX-01 was sending telemetry to Starfleet which allowed them to improve upon NX-01's systems in general (sensors included) when they refit the ship in S3 just before going into the Expanse - heck, they had a room dedicated to analyzing Xindi and Sphere builders technology. I find it unlikely the NX-01's sensors wouldn't have been upgraded along with other systems as part of a major retrofit just before S3.
Some modifications the crew was able to do in the field, others (more extensive ones) would have to likely be done in drydock.
Another major refit the ship saw was in S4... well, mostly repairs and all the upgrades the NX-02 was getting as well (or at least, most of them - they didn't have those big power transfer tubes on the bridge the NX-01 from E2 had or the NX-02 got - but its possible those were last minute upgrades that were crammed into NX-02 just before it launched... otherwise, the NX-01 would have gotten those in the next refit cycle).
Did Archer ever give Starfleet the specs for the phase shift sensors they made to see the cloaked Suliban ships?
The quantum beacons? Not officially (at least nothing was mentioned in the dialogue), but it's possible. Those things were still part of the ship when the NX-01 encountered the Romulan minefield in season 2 and used them to detect the mines... so it wouldn't surprise me if Starfleet got the specs for those from Archer dating back to Season 1 ending or mid Season 2 and then integrated them into NX-01's main sensors with the Season 3 refit.
Its also possible Archer never shared the technology with Starfleet. Since he was convinced Daniels was from the future and in regards to temporal pollution that could occur (and as we saw in the episode he got the specs for those from Daniels when Archer and T'Pol were sifting through the database of the future, Archer was adamant to keep the info limited to the Suliban ship they were hunting for).
It's also possible that Daniels himself removed any and all traces of the technology from NX-01 and Starfleet as a whole the moment history restored itself at the conclusion of the Temporal Wars.
Plethora of options to consider.
But if the technology is there still, then its likely Danials figured it was supposed to remain in the past and Starfleet integrated it into its systems.
