Why the hate for Disco?

[Doom Shepherd]

While Earth has real mycelial networks that connect disparate and sometimes distant organisms that bacteria which can access it can traverse much faster than bacteria that cannot access, we can't travel at warp speed using it.

Of course, we can't travel at warp speed by smashing matter and antimatter together, (and you certainly can't disintegrate people and reintegrate them somewhere else without killing them) so what exactly makes one impossible thing sillier than the others, again?

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's very interesting to me where people draw the line when it comes to the suspension of disbelief.

Mycelial Network? Utterly preposterous!

Time travel by flying really fast around the sun? Sweet!

Anti-Time? You bet!



Now, I make no value judgments. Everyone draws their own line somewhere.

Just...interesting, that's all.

People in pajamas adventuring through space (which has sound in it and nothing moves as if it were really in space) where everyone they find looks/acts/thinks human but with silly colour or bumpy foreheads to differentiate them is realistic, but the spore drive? Pfft.

 

[1001001]

It is always amusing to me that line as well. Though, who am I to judge. Harry Kim's lack of a promotion strains my suspension of disbelief

You know what gets me? I mean really gets me?

People talking while in the middle of being beamed somewhere.



It's enough to drive me to drink.

Luckily, it's a short drive, as I was headed that direction anyway.

 

[Danja]

Mushrooms. Even allowing for The Caretaker (VOY) and all kinds of TOS and TAS weirdness, the mental stumbling block is mushrooms. The other things may be nonsense, but it’s in that wheelhouse of Treknobabble nonsense. Mushrooms, well, we eat those. Then, even if you went with the seventies flower-child drive system, then they asked to go with Ripper The Giant Bug.

Now, I love me some Farscape, but it’s a different thing to Trek. Crazy stuff like this is more Farscape than Trek.

Then there's Picard's plant-based planetary defense system.

I've never liked the idea that Michael is Spock's adopted sister. I prefer the idea that Spock grew up alone and never really felt like he had a sibling connection to anyone until he and Kirk achieved a sense of brotherhood aboard the Enterprise during TOS.

Why must the two be mutually exclusive?

Surely Spock can have siblings while developing a close relationship with Kirk at the same time.

 

[The Wormhole]

You know what gets me? I mean really gets me?

People talking while in the middle of being beamed somewhere.

My peeve with the transporter is when people are beaming out of a shuttle/runabout, and the shuttle/runabout gets destroyed before the re-materialize. The transporter is destroyed while they were still within it. Shouldn't they be dead?

 

[eschaton]

I could have bought the spore drive as a concept, but when they stretched it out to the mycelial network connecting all points in space and time across all universes it got kinda...dumb. This is logically speaking impossible, given this would mean the mycelial network is infinite, which wouldn't work unless you presume that it has existed for an infinite period of time. Theoretically speaking this could be possible (some godlike organism outside of time) but how could this be a fungus, which presumably needed to evolve over time via natural selection?

Plus it led to the the dumbest line in the entire first season, where Stamets says if they fail, all life in the multiverse will die. This is ridiculous because if you're talking about a multiverse there are tons of universes where they fail, and others where they succeed. Not to mention all the ones where someone built a ship like the Charon billions of years ago or in another galaxy.

 

[Danja]

I could have bought the spore drive as a concept, but when they stretched it out to the mycelial network connecting all points in space and time across all universes it got kinda...dumb. This is logically speaking impossible, given this would mean the mycelial network is infinite, which wouldn't work unless you presume that it has existed for an infinite period of time. Theoretically speaking this could be possible (some godlike organism outside of time) but how could this be a fungus, which presumably needed to evolve over time via natural selection?

It's no worse than other magical Trek Tech such as transporters and intractable engineering problems being solved via de-polarizing the Hexatron Drive.

 

[Lord Garth]

If the band Warp 11 ever performs at a Star Trek Convention, there might be mosh pits. Not because of the music, but because you'll have Discovery Fans and Non-Discovery Fans fighting nearby.

 

[jaime]

My peeve with the transporter is when people are beaming out of a shuttle/runabout, and the shuttle/runabout gets destroyed before the re-materialize. The transporter is destroyed while they were still within it. Shouldn't they be dead?

The matter stream is in the transport buffer, and as long as the pattern doesn’t degrade....

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

They'd presumably only be destroyed with the shuttle/runabout/whatever vessel if they were still in its pattern buffer.

As to warp speed powered by matter/antimatter annihilation, what else would produce enough power to route matter around relativistic physics? (There was a young lady named Bright/Who could travel much faster than light/She set out one day/In a relativistic way/And returned on the previous night).

But while I will admit that a moldy universe would explain much (e.g., the Trump administration), the idea that a moldy universe and a giant space tardigrade would be the key to a star drive that would "make warp speed look like standing still" (a Scotty quote from, if memory serves, Trek to Madworld) is just silly.

(And as to the hypothesis that has been floated, that there is only one giant space tardigrade, well, I find it much easier to swallow the late Johnny Carson's assertion that there is only one fruitcake in the world, and it just gets passed around.)

 

[fireproof78]

Why would there be only one tardigrade? Maybe they find the mycelial network more at home and uncomfortable to be outside of it.

Besides, it joins many other silly concepts in Trek.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

But while I will admit that a moldy universe would explain much (e.g., the Trump administration), the idea that a moldy universe and a giant space tardigrade would be the key to a star drive that would "make warp speed look like standing still" (a Scotty quote from, if memory serves, Trek to Madworld) is just silly.

It's silly because anyone who isn't crazy or stupid knows if you travel instantaneously between 2 points you evolve into a salamander

 

[jaime]

Why would there be only one tardigrade? Maybe they find the mycelial network more at home and uncomfortable to be outside of it.

Besides, it joins many other silly concepts in Trek.

Let’s be honest, you have to reach into the distant past for anything close, and even then, by the standards of its time....

Trek has a framework. It’s a rule of fantastic tales in general that you still need rules for things that make internal sense. For the most part, Trek does that (genetronic replicators make sense in terms of the stuff we have seen, even if it’s basically magic to grow Worf a new spine) and when it doesn’t, it tends to be one and done and we never hear of it again, usually with some hand waving in technobabble (warp speed limits, genesis project) that relegated them from plot point to Easter egg. (Metaphasic shields)

DSC tries to do both... crazy shit is literally underpinning the whole show, but we’re promised it’s going to be handwaved later, because of in universe continuity. In the meantime though, here’s a blink drive.

 

[fireproof78]

It's silly because anyone who isn't crazy or stupid knows if you travel instantaneously between 2 points you evolve into a salamander

Well, thought is the basis of reality so maybe don't think about Salamanders at warp.

 

[fireproof78]

Let’s be honest, you have to reach into the distant past for anything close, and even then, by the standards of its time....

Trek has a framework. It’s a rule of fantastic tales in general that you still need rules for things that make internal sense. For the most part, Trek does that (genetronic replicators make sense in terms of the stuff we have seen, even if it’s basically magic to grow Worf a new spine) and when it doesn’t, it tends to be one and done and we never hear of it again, usually with some hand waving in technobabble (warp speed limits, genesis project) that relegated them from plot point to Easter egg. (Metaphasic shields)

DSC tries to do both... crazy shit is literally underpinning the whole show, but we’re promised it’s going to be handwaved later, because of in universe continuity. In the meantime though, here’s a blink drive.

As I stated either here or elsewhere the suspension of disbelief line is different for everyone, and I get that. I have a real problem with Harry as an ensign for 7 years. That's my quibble when it comes to Trek and believability.

However, as far as Trek's framework goes maybe I'm too relaxed, or maybe I read too much Trek books or whatever, but for me, the spore drive fits fine with the variety of other tech like the Genesis device, giant Spock, thought as the basis of reality, Warp 13, except Warp 10, just off the top of my head. But, that isn't for everyone.

So, crazy underpinning the show is fine by me. Mileage will vary

 

[jaime]

Well, thought is the basis of reality so maybe don't think about Salamanders at warp.

Tom is the Lizard King, break on through to the other side.

 

[1001001]

If the band Warp 11 ever performs at a Star Trek Convention, there might be mosh pits. Not because of the music, but because you'll have Discovery Fans and Non-Discovery Fans fighting nearby.

They did play at a convention in San Francisco my son and I attended.

No mosh pit though. Most of us are too old for that.

 

[cooleddie74]

Most posters here are too old for the Dumont Network.

 

[fireproof78]

It can be a visual reboot and still in the same continuity. At least from where I sit.

But, it is still canon.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm friends with a local band that I used to be 'stage manager/sound tech/chief roadie' for (meaning I grokked how to set up all the sound reinforcement equipment, how to mix live sound properly, could fix various technical problems on-the-fly, and had a pickup truck ) and we played at a local venue Warp 11 was playing at. They're not bad at all, really. Not sure they're mosh-pit-inspiring material, but you don't want to turn down the vocals or the mains if you were mixing for them, either.

Not that I'd complain. I ended up in a mosh pit once -- long story -- not an experience I want to repeat. Summer Sanitorium Tour 2000. Crowd-surfing is fun, though.