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Why the hate for Disco?

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I'm late to the party, but:

I thought the twist in episode 12 or 13 of Season 1 was entertaining. It got me, but overall the vernacular used in this series, and Picard for that matter, is elementary at best.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with writing in the common vernacular. Prejudice against the vernacular is just a form of classism, which, in the World According to Gene Roddenberry, we should have left behind long ago along with racism, sexism, bigotry, poverty, war, and disease.

I haven't left one episode enlightened by works of literature's greats and admiration for well constructed series.

1) A film or TV episode alluding to classic literature or ancient mythology does not "leave you enlightened" by those works. Quoting two or three lines from Moby-Dick does not teach you Moby-Dick. It may intrigue you to learn about it, but I promise you, you will not pass a literature class studying Moby-Dick by watching Star Trek: First Contact.

2) Multiple episodes of DIS have made allusions to classic literature and ancient mythology. Your failure to pay attention does not mean that those allusions are not present.

I was watching one episode of Discovery where "Like" was used repeatedly in a sentence. "You Good?" is one of my pet peeves and is used repeatedly.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using interjections such as "like" or with using common phrases such as "You good?".

Also, the acting is not very good. Along with the protagonist, the acting is not very good,

Please explain how good acting works.

and we are forced to watch the movie from the protagonists viewpoint and follow her around. What happened to the bridge crew?

DIS is not about the bridge crew. It's a slight variation on the traditional Star Trek format. Asking why DIS is not about the bridge crew makes about as much sense as asking why The Godfather is not about the police detectives investigating the Corleone family.

It reminds me more of a star wars, space opera type of film.

DIS has no more in common with Star Wars than the rest of the Star Trek franchise.

Yeah, we learned Moby Dick from his obsession.

No, you did not. Again, if you tried to pass a literature class studying Moby-Dick by watching Star Trek: First Contact, you would fail.

What did we learn from "Into Darkness"?? How did that movie enlighten you?

For all its flaws, Star Trek Into Darkness is one of only two mainstream films I can think of (the other being Captain America: The Winter Soldier) to tell a story that is allegorically about the negative unintended consequences of the use of drone assassinations by the U.S. government. They are both also the only films I know that depict how liberal democracies that violate their principles in the name of national security cause blowback that harms their own people and risk losing their democracies entirely (e.g., Marcus intending to launch a coup against the Federation government and Hydra attempting to violently overthrow every world government).

Freaking lame score too

:cardie: I'm sorry, but Michael Giacchino is one of the greatest film composers active today. Like John Williams before him, he's often much better than the movies he writes for.

What they are doing to Star Trek man. It's not going to get them new followers as they had hoped.

Paramount+ is continuing to grow as a streaming service and there are more Star Trek television programs in production now than have ever been in production at the same time.

Tell me, what episodes do you remember that inspired deep introspective thought?

The most obvious would be the gut-wrenching "Forget Me Not."

It sucks. I really thought a Star Trek message board would be completely against it.

You, uh. You thought a Star Trek message board... would be completely against Star Trek.

Huh.

Well, guess it proves what I've been saying:

Nobody hates a show that's new and different quite as much as a certain segment of fans of a show about people who go into space to find things that are new and different.
 
It sucks. I really thought a Star Trek message board would be completely against it. I think I'm in the wrong place. Live long and prosper, suckers.

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It seems...suspicious...that a belligerent noob appeared literally the day after another belligerent noob was banned for posting openly bigoted things.

If only there were a rational explanation for this. Alas...we'll never know.

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As I knew it would. It still blows my mind the vile rhetoric flung at Lucas for the Prequels and now everyone is like "Oh, I always liked them!" :rolleyes:

I have a friend who's a huge Star Wars fan and he tells me this is happening. To which I laugh and just say, "Star Trek and Star Wars fans are getting closer to one another by the day."
 
As I knew it would. It still blows my mind the vile rhetoric flung at Lucas for the Prequels and now everyone is like "Oh, I always liked them!" :rolleyes:

I think the level of vitriol the prequels got was not fair, but they're still bad movies. I tried to re-watch Revenge of the Sith a few months ago and all I could think the entire time was how badly the film is harmed by the lack of specificity in Hayden Christensen's acting choices. I don't blame Christensen for that -- very few actors are able to turn in strong performances with clear specificity in their choices and consistency in their choices from scene to scene and from take to take without a good director, and Lucas was completely checked out on guiding anyone's acting choices in that film. He got lazy working with these really exceptional older actors who were able to construct strong performances without a director's help (Christopher Lee, Ian McDiarmid, etc.), and his laziness hurt the younger actors pretty badly.
 
I'm not a fan of this series. I don't like it.
That doesn't mean I hate it. It's just not my thing.
We could do with a few more people like this in the world.

I don't like it, but that's right now. Who knows, that might change. The two part pilot wasn't hopeless. One day I might wonder why I didn't appreciate this series more back in the day. So there's potential.

When I was a kid I had many favourite series which I don't really focus on anymore. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here or anywhere else. Things change. Although the old series do have their nostalgia value.
 
We could do with a few more people like this in the world.

It's my attitude towards certain movies and series. It's why you almost never see me in some threads on this board.

If I actively dislike a film or show I'm not wasting my life lecturing people about how bad I think it is, at least not to hundreds or even thousands of stangers on an Internet message board.
 
If I actively dislike a film or show I'm not wasting my life lecturing people about how bad I think it is, at least not to hundreds or even thousands of stangers on an Internet message board.

I think I'm guilty of being too open about certain things, for example how I find the 'Picard' series a disappointment. That's not because I want to convince others to agree with me (or is it?) but because all the anticipation that was loaded for the series and then it was.... what it was, a disappointment for me.
 
Early on in my TrekBBS career I made a habit of being overly critical of an actor in a Trek series and almost became a one-trick pony. I'm not doing that again. Besides I eventually grew to enjoy this particular actor in their role and appreciate their performances.

I was an ass for no good reason and grew to realize that.
 
While we’re all being honest I don’t particularly like TAS or Lower Decks but I’ve no desire to spend hours telling people. (Although TAS does make me reminiscent of childhood, to be fair)
 
I remember watching TAS in the late-'90s on TV Land. That and Sanford & Son. My two favorite shows on there. Good times. Not to be confused with Good Times.
 
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