Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!
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That was pre-New 52. There have been multiple bearers of the name over the decades.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Superwoman
Along with Cat Grant (mostly), Max Lord, the original Sam Lane (Glenn Morshower), the original Alura (Laura Benanti), Silver Banshee, and the original child Kara (Malina Weissman). A lot of actors were left behind when the show moved production from LA to Vancouver.
I'm still disappointed that they never picked up on the dropped plot thread of Sam Lane giving Max Lord the Kryptonian Omegahedron to study as a power source.
I agree.
In the olden day in England type places, the nobles were allowed to sleep with the peasants, and were expected to sleep with all the new brides on their wedding nights to other men.
If this version of Morgan Edge is hundreds of years old, because anyone working for Darkseid has upgrades, that could have been one of his responsibilities.
PS.
This episode was written by a man and directed by a different man.
Whatever woman thing emotional state they thought they were writing about, they are way off base. And it's weird that we have to pretend that Lana is rational, because her feelings are genuine, when she is a work of fiction by a man.
"Don't you think it was awkward, him cornering me, asking about my job, offering me an opportunity? You didn't even ask if I was uncomfortable, do you even care? It's not about you. He made me uncomfortable, and you didn't even notice. Is that where our marriage at?"
He didn't corner you. You were both sitting where you wanted to sit when you were told that this is where you were going to eat. Unless you mean verbally cornered? But that just meant that he's smarter than you and you didn't like it.
He didn't ask about your job. He knew everything about your life, the only question he asked is how could you be happy wasting your life mucking about in shit like a poor? Truth bombs hurt Lana.
Kyle did notice you were uncomfortable, but he assessed that you would be more uncomfortable if he laid out your bosses boss, so he let it ride. Obliviously he should have faked a seizure, and ended the conversation with a trip to the hospital, but he's not a crazy person.
Or...
There's more going on to this that we don't know about yet, and Lana is manipulating Kyle with half truths for reasons unknown.
My first guess is that Lana is a plant, working undercover for the FBI against Edge.
If this version of Morgan Edge is hundreds of years old, because anyone working for Darkseid has upgrades, that could have been one of his responsibilities.
PS.
This episode was written by a man and directed by a different man.
Whatever woman thing emotional state they thought they were writing about, they are way off base. And it's weird that we have to pretend that Lana is rational, because her feelings are genuine, when she is a work of fiction by a man.
"Don't you think it was awkward, him cornering me, asking about my job, offering me an opportunity? You didn't even ask if I was uncomfortable, do you even care? It's not about you. He made me uncomfortable, and you didn't even notice. Is that where our marriage at?"
He didn't corner you. You were both sitting where you wanted to sit when you were told that this is where you were going to eat. Unless you mean verbally cornered? But that just meant that he's smarter than you and you didn't like it.
He didn't ask about your job. He knew everything about your life, the only question he asked is how could you be happy wasting your life mucking about in shit like a poor? Truth bombs hurt Lana.
Kyle did notice you were uncomfortable, but he assessed that you would be more uncomfortable if he laid out your bosses boss, so he let it ride. Obliviously he should have faked a seizure, and ended the conversation with a trip to the hospital, but he's not a crazy person.
Or...
There's more going on to this that we don't know about yet, and Lana is manipulating Kyle with half truths for reasons unknown.
My first guess is that Lana is a plant, working undercover for the FBI against Edge.
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It's not a one size fits all thing though, is it? I wasn't necessarily talking about feelings, I was referring to the reasons behind thought processes. The point of the Venus/Mars book was for women and men to better understand one another, not to argue that the "traditional" feminine or masculine style are superior.
On 90 day fiance 2 years ago, a relationship guru, was hosting a seminar where he was telling Mars vs. Venus stuff to a room full of modern women who did not like being letterboxed.
It was a shit show.
Exactly.
It's not just about cost, it's about the actors' availability and interest. We know Calista Flockhart didn't want to move to Vancouver since it was too far from her family. The other actors may have had similar reasons, or may have gotten gigs on other shows that precluded their return.
I have only the most passing acquaintance with "the Venus/Mars book," and my understanding of gender psychology was formed well before it came out. Good grief, I just looked it up, and it was written by a guy who took a correspondence course in psychology. Hardly an authoritative text -- just a popularization of what real psychologists had already figured out.
And I recall having a low opinion of its thesis back when it came out, finding it grossly oversimplistic and unhealthily binary. Men and women are not opposites; we're more like variations on a theme. There are no uniquely male or uniquely female psychological traits. We all have the same gamut of emotions, but society artificially conditions men and women to behave differently, and the social norms that condition men to think they have to hide or deny their emotions are extremely harmful to men, and lead them to be harmful or dysfunctional in their relationships with women.
I was a child of the '70s, a time when it seemed that culture was rejecting the old tough-guy norms and maturing into a recognition that men were better off engaging with their emotional and vulnerable sides rather than hiding from them. I came to understand the value of that kind of emotional engagement through long years of personal experience and therapy growing up in the '80s, and I felt better off for having learned to embrace my so-called "feminine side" and valuing it equally with my "masculine" traits, like the male role models I grew up with in the media (though somewhat in contrast to the male norms in my own family, and in defiance of the "tough" boys who bullied me in school). I always found it strange and disturbing when the self-limiting, unhealthy ideal of the unfeeling tough guy rallied back in the age of Rambo, and it saddens me that that template of masculine behavior has endured and even worsened to this day.
Lana wanted Kyle to be her husband--not a lapdog as another man was making suggestive statements toward her. Kyle not stepping up angered her, and that would not have happened if Edge was strictly referring to her in the employee sense. As a character painted as having a manipulative, controlling mindset, testing boundaries fits in line with his personality.
Stepping up as her husband in this specific kind of situation is not "claiming" anyone. Its being what he's supposed to be to her, and he failed by sitting there just allowing Edge to speak to her in a way that would raise suspicion to any normal adult.
This offensive talk, occurred in the first minute of a dinner that may have lasted as long as an hour, and then she waited hours more, till they were all the way home to explain that Kyle was a cuck.
The statute of limitations had successfully passed in the opinion of every man on the planet.
If Morgan Edge and Maxwell Lord had a kid together... The kids surname would be Edge-Lord, which is something you can look up on Urbandictionary if you have to.
Do you have to work at these things or do they just come naturally?
If CW could make anything near the depth of Friday Night Lights I'd be very impressed, that would be pretty incredible.
The thing is... the potential is there, albeit unlikely.This show is really good. It's got a great mix of family drama and sensitive material and also some really good action. I'll admit when Tyler Hoechlin first popped up on Supergirl I wasn't completely convinced (although Bitsie Tulloch's Lois has always been pitch-perfect to me), but he won me over pretty quickly. And now...? Oh yes please.
"Lapdog?" You're still defining it as if what's at stake here is his ego. Yes, she wants him to be her husband, but that doesn't mean butting heads with another man and reducing her to a passive possession to be fought over. It means being aware of her feelings, respecting her as an equal, and supporting her. If Edge was objectifying or diminishing her, it was her place to object to that, because she is an adult, responsible human being. Kyle's job in that circumstance was to back her up and support her.
Lana's concern was not that Kyle was "weak." It was that he didn't recognize or understand what she was feeling. It wasn't about how he related to another male, it was about how he related to her.
Interesting. I was kind of the other way around. I thought Hoechlin was a terrific Superman from the start, but while I've always liked Tulloch, I initially only saw her as a reasonably good Lois, not necessarily a great one. Now, I think she's rapidly proving herself one of the best.
But Edge was talking to Kyle through Lana.
Lana was a conduit for Edge's attack on Kyle.
Edge wants a super soldier.
That's only going to come about by breaking up their marriage.
That fight we saw, happened because Edge is smart, and they are dumb.
Lana was a conduit for Edge's attack on Kyle.
Edge wants a super soldier.
That's only going to come about by breaking up their marriage.
That fight we saw, happened because Edge is smart, and they are dumb.
To Lana, Kyle being a lapdog was not about his ego (who knows where you're getting that from) but about surrendering his role as her husband as Edge was speaking suggestively to her. Lana was capable of speaking for herself, but that is not--nor is it ever what her anger toward Kyle was about, or the point in a marriage. The point is that Kyle failed to live up to his job--an expectation Lana had of him. No wife ever has the desire to see her husband effectively relinquish his role as a husband, especially when another man is speaking to her in that manner while asserting his "possession" or "territory". Marriage 101.
I'm not going to keep going through this. Lana said outright that what bothered her was that Kyle didn't notice how Edge made her feel. Not that he didn't "assert himself," but that he didn't recognize what she was feeling. But you're not listening to Lana any more than Kyle was.
Well, that's not true.
Unless Kyle was lying.
He said that he chose to do nothing, because doing anything would have created a serious problem.
On the other hand, it seems that all she wanted was an "Are you okay honey?"
Which would have made her look weak, and made Moragn look like a bully, and he might have taken his money and left Smallville.
Doing nothing as it happened was the right choice.
but that was hours ago.
The "Are you all right honey?" would have been a perfect question to ask on the way home in the car.
Address her feelings, and not anger the weirdo billionaire who doesn't understand how to talk to regular people.
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