Discovery, a 32nd century starship.

[cultcross]

On the Registry.. So there was NO U.S.S. Discovery ( a fairly common name for a ship) in 900 years?

Don't have to have the same registry, so a NCC-345456 Discovery didn't exist in say 24th century?

The latter is the easiest explanation, it has never been guaranteed that registry numbers would pass from one named ship to the next (in fact we've only seen it a couple of other times). Especially as the NCC-1031 was classified historically, odds are they would just roll out the next registry on the list the next time they made a USS Discovery.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The latter is the easiest explanation, it has never been guaranteed that registry numbers would pass from one named ship to the next (in fact we've only seen it a couple of other times). Especially as the NCC-1031 was classified historically, odds are they would just roll out the next registry on the list the next time they made a USS Discovery.

Was the actual existence of Discovery classified though? Or just the real story behind what it could do and how it disappeared? You can't make an entire Starfleet forget there was a ship called Discovery.

 

[cultcross]

Sir, your voice is carrying

 

[Discofan]

Was the actual existence of Discovery classified though? Or just the real story behind what it could do and how it disappeared? You can't make an entire Starfleet forget there was a ship called Discovery.

If they're instructed not to talk about it, most, if not all of them will follow that order, and after a generation or two, this won't be a problem anymore.

 

[Discofan]

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Sir, your voice is carrying

The funniest attempt at a Vulcan neck pinch ever...

 

[Tuskin38]

Was the actual existence of Discovery classified though? Or just the real story behind what it could do and how it disappeared? You can't make an entire Starfleet forget there was a ship called Discovery.

The ship isn't classified, just the spore drive, activities connect to it and that it travelled through time.

 

[Ronald Held]

Spore drive may have been classified for a century or more but with no Stamets,it might not be deemed worth using?

 

[Deks]

Spore drive may have been classified for a century or more but with no Stamets,it might not be deemed worth using?

The technology is too valuable NOT to expand on (or at least, it in itself had nothing to do with Control).
Even without Stamets, you can use it as a power source (especially when combined with Dilithium Recrystalization technology - which Starfleet developed in late 23rd century, a few decades after Discovery departed for the future).

Also, Starfleet should have on record Stamets genetic therapy treatment and specs for the said Tardigrade DNA... which SF could have shuffled to R&D or automated adaptive algorithms (which work thousands to millions/billions of times faster than humans) to create an alternate interface WITHOUT a need of a biological being.

I mean, the crew of Discovery couldn't be the ONLY SF crew in existence to come up with the thing... and Stamets (along with his dead friend from the Glenn) is probably NOT the only Atromycologist in the Federation (since its a whole freaking field apparently).

 

[Ronald Held]

Not certain Stamets' genetic treatment procedure made it to SF. Between the ban on genetic engineering and classification of "all things Discovery",I might be hard to recreate it after a few centuries.

 

[Deks]

Not certain Stamets' genetic treatment procedure made it to SF. Between the ban on genetic engineering and classification of "all things Discovery",I might be hard to recreate it after a few centuries.

Stamets genetic procedure likely DID make it to SF. In the first 2 seasons, they were acutely aware of what he did... still, you do make a good point with the ban on genetic engineering, but SF should have the brains to keep the genetic procedure on record (which would have a profile of Tardigrade DNA) that could be used to devise an alternate interface to use the Spore Drive without needing a biological navigator (like Stamets). Tilly and Burnham were discussing this option already when they were examining that Dark Matter asteroid in Season 2... so, if the Disco crew would think it was doable... then SF would likely have more than enough resources to make it a reality within a few months or years at most.

The writers never really think along those line to begin with, yet they are obsessed with SF having backups upon backups and ridiculous contingencies (which 'magically' fail whenever the drama requires it).

 

[Yistaan]

Spore drive may have been classified for a century or more but with no Stamets,it might not be deemed worth using?

The worst part of this all is what this whole spore drive classification did to Spock's character. Spock, with his brilliant mind that was thinking 10 steps ahead of everyone, would have known that dilithium would eventually cease to be a feasible resource in multiple centuries' time. Yet he still requested a full ban on all spore drive tech. That's not logical thinking, that's absurd emotionalism.

 

[fireproof78]

People do things because of absurd emotions. That's pretty much my whole freaking job. Despite insistence that humanity will somehow evolve past this tendency I find it extremely hard to believe that it will.

I also think the spore drive needs to be limited and I think there are reasons why others have no used it. I am hoping to see more beings native to the network who actively attack those who enter the network, causing huge damage so that other civilizations will treat the network has not worth the trouble.

 

[Tuskin38]

The worst part of this all is what this whole spore drive classification did to Spock's character. Spock, with his brilliant mind that was thinking 10 steps ahead of everyone, would have known that dilithium would eventually cease to be a feasible resource in multiple centuries' time. Yet he still requested a full ban on all spore drive tech. That's not logical thinking, that's absurd emotionalism.

That is a gross exaggeration of Spock's character. He would never think that far ahead, Especially pre-TOS Spock., the main concern at the moment was the present.

 

[Discofan]

I wonder if we'll ever get an explanation for the extinction of the tardigrade... I mean not only is it hard to verify given that the tardese can be anywhere anytime so how the hell do you know that they're all gone??? But also since they have this ability to travel these unimaginable distances, you'd think that would be a great advantage for their survival. They don't have to remain in one place and be slaughtered.

 

[Biggles]

The Discovery in DSC S3 -- The appearance is exactly the same on the inside. On the outside, it got a new deflector dish, new warp nacelles, and a paint job.

Respectfully, this is not so. The warp nacelles are completely different, and every aspect of the ship's exterior hull was replaced; not just the plating, but the underlying structure. It's most notable in the shape of the secondary hull, which has lost its 'belly' as well as the new negative space on the 'wingtips', totally different deflector housing etc etc.

The changes are in fact very much akin to TOS/TMP, with the internal core structure remaining the same (probably, as presumed with TMP), the only real difference being that corridors, rooms etc were also retained. I suspect that had budget not been a limitation, these would have changed too.

Suggest everyone who hasn't already watches this Trekyards breakdown. It's a *very* extensive refit on the outside.

 

[ScottJ85]

SF should have the brains to keep the genetic procedure on record (which would have a profile of Tardigrade DNA) that could be used to devise an alternate interface to use the Spore Drive without needing a biological navigator (like Stamets).

Odds are good that got memory-holed along with the spore drive research. And the writers forgetting things except when it's convenient for drama purposes is kind of endemic to Star Trek at this point.

 

[Discofan]

...is kind of endemic to Star Trek at this point.

It was endemic to star trek at the very beginning. They have always made up shit as they went along and forgot about it the very next episode, except when it was useful. Look at how many ways exist now to basically be immortal, or like they can basically cure death but when it suits them... someone will die of a heart attack it willl be impossible to revive them. That's how they deal with everything. In Kirk's time, they could make robots so similar to humans that you couldn't tell them apart but come TNG and now it's an exploit to make one with a yellow face that talks funny and keeps telling you that he's an android!!!

 

[Yistaan]

That is a gross exaggeration of Spock's character. He would never think that far ahead, Especially pre-TOS Spock., the main concern at the moment was the present.

It's not an exaggeration of Spock's character at all. I'm not nearly as brilliant as Spock, but even I could tell you that covering up a feasible, clean energy alternative to fossil fuels just because the lead vehicles using this tech got into conflict with an evil AI (that otherwise has nothing to do with said transportation tech) would have massive environmental implications for our planet years down the line.

 

[Blue Squadron]

Of course, I'm thinking logically and rationally, unlike a DSC scriptwriter.

Yep, I think that just about sums up any and all of the inconsistencies in any iteration of Trek.

No amount of fanboi retcon or head cannon will get around the fact that sometimes it just doesn't make sense -- and it's never going to either...

 

[nic3636]

I always got the impression that it was basically one in a trillion chance they stumbled on that tartigrade, without which the spore drive didn't work and that whatever Samets did to himself couldn't be replicated. Of course they kinda blew a hole in this with Book's species being able to operate the spore drive, so yeah, not sure why others weren't able to develop the technology.