How do the new Star Trek shows compare to The Mandolarian?

[fireproof78]

I continue to be amazed at the notion that a franchise can be "slapped in the face." The whole point of a franchise is to allow creators to create within it. The Mandalorian is doing exactly what Discovery did in the first two seasons-referencing everyone from past shows. Except, in the case of the Mandalorian, this is to the detriment of the lead character.

 

[Jayson1]

I think some of the writers might be ashamed to be working in Trek because they see it as a kids show and stuff like that but I imagine that is a common feeling with lots of writers and actors. Everyone wants to be doing next Sopranos but here you are talking or writing about green people on a spaceship.


Jason

 

[fireproof78]

I think some of the writers might be ashamed to be working in Trek because they see it as a kids show and stuff like that but I imagine that is a common feeling with lots of writers and actors. Everyone wants to be doing next Sopranos but here you are talking or writing about green people on a spaceship.


Jason

Then that's on the writers, and they can still write a good episode. That doesn't make their work a "slap in the face" or whatever.

 

[Sci]

I think some of the writers might be ashamed to be working in Trek because they see it as a kids show and stuff like that but I imagine that is a common feeling with lots of writers and actors. Everyone wants to be doing next Sopranos but here you are talking or writing about green people on a spaceship.

I have no idea why you would say that. The love and respect the writers of DIS, PIC, and LD clearly have for prior Star Trek series is incredibly obvious from the way older shows and characters are referenced or used again in modern ST.

 

[saddestmoon]

I love both shows, and each respective world they inhabit!

Always have, always will...

 

[Jayson1]

I have no idea why you would say that. The love and respect the writers of DIS, PIC, and LD clearly have for prior Star Trek series is incredibly obvious from the way older shows and characters are referenced or used again in modern ST.

Fan service doesn't mean you love the show or movie your doing all the time. Sometimes it's put in to sort of toss the old fans a few bones. J.J Abrams for example is famous for not caring about trek before he was hired and he still put in fan service. That doesn't mean someone can't make great Trek or anything. Nick Meyer didn't respect Trek at all before Wrath of Khan. I love the Abramsverse movies. I think the sort of lack of interest in previous Trek is something that people will only notice if the quality isn't up to snuff.

Same with nitpicks and bad science etc. I think many people don't know they wanted something until they get it for the first time. I think that is how is with Trek. Trek fans want more of the same but they want it to feel new but if someone comes in and does something really different they didn't want they will either reject it as non-trek if the quality isn't good or they will find out that new Trek is offering something they didn't know they wanted. TNG did that with many TOS fans who use to think they only wanted Kirk/Spock and Bones. DS9 did that to trek fans who use to think they didn't want story arcs or a more gritty look at the Trek universe. Things of that such.


Jason

 

[Sci]

Fan service doesn't mean you love the show or movie your doing all the time. Sometimes it's put in to sort of toss the old fans a few bones. J.J Abrams for example is famous for not caring about trek before he was hired and he still put in fan service.

I'm pretty sure the fanservice in ST09 came from Roberto Orci, who was a huge Trekkie long before making that movie. And yeah, Nicholas Meyer wasn't a Trekkie before he made TWOK, but the very fact that he made an entire movie sequel to a TOS episode demonstrates that he could see and respect what fans loved about it -- which is absolutely not the same as being embarrassed by it.

And I'm not just talking about the mere presence of fanservice. I'm also talking about the attitude evinced by the narrative towards those elements when it presents them. The narrative fundamentally thinks they're cool -- which is not an attitude the narrative would have if the writers were embarrassed by ST.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I haven't seen The Mandalorian, Lower Decks, Picard, or Discovery, but I'm not going to bash any of them, nor am I going to bash the sequel trilogy of Star Wars or bash the Kelvinverse movies like a lot of people here. A lot of this 'criticism' of the sequel trilogy, the Kelvinverse movies, and the three new Star Trek shows are, IMHO, due to racism ageism, and sexism-white (men) are pissed off at not being front and center on the new Star Trek shows, and are angry that Picard is talking about politics and isn't about exploring space like Next Generation. As for the Star Wars sequel trilogy, some of the above, plus a few others that escape me just now; if I can convey them later on, I'll do so.

 

[CaptVader]

The current shows do go for a more modern, upbeat take with that sort of hope for the future that Star Trek has had since its inception, of course from different angles that we're not used to seeing, which I think is a bit refreshing. Whereas The Mandalorian is closer to TOS in that it's more like a Sci-Fi/Western, though kind of giving a 1970s Sci-Fi vibe but modernized.

I kinda wanna see a Trek show that's somewhat similar to The Mandalorian in that it's about a person/group who goes off on their own adventures and it's not centered around anyone in Starfleet. Would add variety.

 

[Annorax849]

Update: 2 shitty episodes and then it massively improved again, and maintained a high quality until the end of season 2.

Yep, the last 4 episodes are on a different level than the first 12.

 

[Jayson1]

I haven't seen The Mandalorian, Lower Decks, Picard, or Discovery, but I'm not going to bash any of them, nor am I going to bash the sequel trilogy of Star Wars or bash the Kelvinverse movies like a lot of people here. A lot of this 'criticism' of the sequel trilogy, the Kelvinverse movies, and the three new Star Trek shows are, IMHO, due to racism ageism, and sexism-white (men) are pissed off at not being front and center on the new Star Trek shows, and are angry that Picard is talking about politics and isn't about exploring space like Next Generation. As for the Star Wars sequel trilogy, some of the above, plus a few others that escape me just now; if I can convey them later on, I'll do so.

Curious. You haven't seen most of the shows yet you somehow know the criticism of them to be wrong and just racist and sexist because of what exactly? Guessing? Also if your a Trek fan how have you not watched one single new Trek series? Trek has been off tv since I guess maybe 2004 and the fact we got the first new episodes in over a decade still didn't intrigue you enough to watch even one episode of any of them?

Jason

 

[fireproof78]

lso if your a Trek fan how have you not watched one single new Trek series?

Why not? My dad has barely watched a frame of Trek after the TOS films, aside from the Abrams' films. Some things are not for all fans.

 

[Jayson1]

Why not? My dad has barely watched a frame of Trek after the TOS films, aside from the Abrams' films. Some things are not for all fans.

But does your dad hang out on Trek message boards? I mean if someone is committed enough to Trek to sort of embrace the culture beyond the simple viewing experience you would think they would at least give one of them a try.

Jason

 

[fireproof78]

But does your dad hang out on Trek message boards? I mean if someone is committed enough to Trek to sort of embrace the culture beyond the simple viewing experience you would think they would at least give one of them a try.

Jason

My dad is still learning to text

And, I would not expect anyone to jump in to that. It's like Stargate: Universe for me. It never appealed, but I still hung around the Gateworld forums for a bit. Just because a franchise offers something new doesn't mean I go try it all. In fact, I am more hesitant now.

 

[Jayson1]

My dad is still learning to text

And, I would not expect anyone to jump in to that. It's like Stargate: Universe for me. It never appealed, but I still hung around the Gateworld forums for a bit. Just because a franchise offers something new doesn't mean I go try it all. In fact, I am more hesitant now.

He is isn't the only one. I think maybe him, me and Machete are the only 3 people left who doesn't know how to do it.


Jason

 

[Shaka Zulu]

He is isn't the only one. I think maybe him, me and Machete are the only 3 people left who doesn't know how to do it.


Jason

Jason, just for clarification, I haven't seen the new show because I haven't been able to get CBSAA yet. That doesn't mean that I don't know about them or don't support them.

 

[Jayson1]

Okay. I think when you watch them you will find Picard to be good until the final two episodes. Discovery is kind of bad but filled with some interesting characters that don't get their due because Burnham is the focus and is a really a badly written character. Lower Decks is okay. Some jokes land some don't. The Mandalorian is the greatest action adventure show ever. The Stargate shows use to have that label but The Mandalorian moved past them, Granted with the budget it has it should be the greatest action adventure show ever. All the characters are fun and perfect for the type of show it is. Baby Yoda will warm ones heart in away we haven't seen since going all the way back to ET.


Jason

 

[fireproof78]

The Mandalorian is the greatest action adventure show ever.

Not sure if serious...if so I can't even begin to understand it. Mandalorian is comfort food show. It's safe, predictable and doesn't take much risks.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Hey I liked Mandy, but "greatest action adventure show ever"?

Nu-uh.

 

[Lord Garth]

I promise to give The Mandalorian a fair shot when I eventually watch it, and keep an open mind. But certain people are making it really hard to, because of the way they act. Same with The Orville. You want to sell me on a show? Don't do everything in your power to make me not want to watch it.

Do you know what's a show that has good fans who make me more interested in it, instead of less? The Expanse.