How do the new Star Trek shows compare to The Mandolarian?

[Sci]

Star Wars revolves around personal greed while Star Trek does not.

Depending on what you mean by that, I'm not sure I agree. Star Wars does feature greed as a major motivating force for important political actors; if that's your point, I agree. But I would also argue that even as it depicts that greed, Star Wars regularly critiques that greed. One example: The entire point of Han Solo's arc in A New Hope was him learning to let go of his greed and self-interest and risk his life to help the Rebel Alliance destroy the Death Star. Another example: The entire point of the much-maligned Canto Bight subplot in The Last Jedi was to show how the wealthy elites of the Galaxy Far Far Away perpetuate fascist movements in order to enrich themselves, and to show Rose radicalizing Finn into a position of hostility towards their greed. (There's a really strong anti-capitalist subtext to The Last Jedi, which I love.) Even the first few episodes of The Mandalorian are basically about the title character learning to value the life of Baby Yoda more than the money he got paid to retrieve him for the Imperials.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Actually finally watching Mando. Baby Yoda is so cute!

Then episode 4 starts and I goaned out load. I've seen this episode before, in Stargate, in Enterprise...

Update: 2 shitty episodes and then it massively improved again, and maintained a high quality until the end of season 2.

 

[somebuddyX]

I like The Mandalorian a whole lot but it just feels a bit toothless sometimes, especially in both season finales.

 

[ananta]

I haven’t seen it at all yet as I can’t justify signing up to another streaming service. I’m interested to know how it stacks up compared with the recent sequel trilogy? Why do you think fans are happier with the Mandalorian than the recent films?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I haven’t seen it at all yet as I can’t justify signing up to another streaming service. I’m interested to know how it stacks up compared with the recent sequel trilogy? Why do you think fans are happier with the Mandalorian than the recent films?

I think Mandalorian ruffles far fewer feathers. The sequels move the whole universe forward, leading to lots of "Luke would never do X!", "How dare Han Solo Y!", "You can't Z!" whereas Mando has everything unchanged from where they "should" be in the continuity as it tells it's little side story.

 

[fireproof78]

I haven’t seen it at all yet as I can’t justify signing up to another streaming service. I’m interested to know how it stacks up compared with the recent sequel trilogy? Why do you think fans are happier with the Mandalorian than the recent films?

Because it's safe.

 

[Orphalesion]

I mean the problem I had with the Sequel Trilogy is that it just re-retreads the "Rebellion vs Empire" conflict from the original, I would have even preferred the Yuuzahn Vong from the Expanded Universe to that repetition, and the Yuuzahn Vong were already pretty silly on their own.

Because it's safe.

If anything the Sequel Trilogy played it *far* too safe. The Galactic Republic faction looked exactly like the Rebellion, the new Empire looked exactly like the old one and even whole plot points were repeated, just with new characters.

 

[fireproof78]

If anything the Sequel Trilogy played it *far* too safe. The Galactic Republic faction looked exactly like the Rebellion, the new Empire looked exactly like the old one and even whole plot points were repeated, just with new characters.

There were safe beats but enough challenges in there, like Luke and Han. It played with a lot of classic storytelling tropes that I really appreciated in the Star Wars context.

I do agree that the Resistance was too much like the Rebellion and that was annoying. I loved the First Order design though. There was an interesting menance to them.

But, I am extremely biased because I was engaged with all the characters, and haven't engaged with the Mandalorian mains at all.

I mean the problem I had with the Sequel Trilogy is that it just re-retreads the "Rebellion vs Empire" conflict from the original, I would have even preferred the Yuuzahn Vong from the Expanded Universe to that repetition, and the Yuuzahn Vong were already pretty silly on their own.

I despise everything about the Vong and the New Jedi Order books took the EU in a direction I couldn't stomach. I'm glad people like them but even if I redid the ST the Vong would be nowhere near it.

 

[Orphalesion]

But, I am extremely biased because I was engaged with all the characters, and haven't engaged with the Mandalorian mains at all.

Oh I liked the main characters of the Sequel trilogy. I also never saw any problem with Rey. I just feel they were wasted on that story. And of the old set only Leia got good development. I don't like Mandalorian that much either tbh and I found that whole "he always wears his helmet" thing so freaking stupid. Let us see Pedro Pascal. He's hot...

I despise everything about the Vong and the New Jedi Order books took the EU in a direction I couldn't stomach. I'm glad people like them but even if I redid the ST the Vong would be nowhere near it.

I don't like the Vong either and they were also the point where I bailed out of the EU (that and Jacen becoming Darth Vader 2.0...which is another reason why I'm not thrilled with the new movies)
The Vong were too "Warhammer 40k" for me (they are basically the Tyranids crossed with the Necrons...).
I was just using them as an example to something else than "the Rebellion vs the Empire...again"
Say what you will about the Prequel Trilogy, but at least it felt a lot more different from the Original Trilogy (imho)

 

[fireproof78]

Oh I liked the main characters of the Sequel trilogy. I also never saw any problem with Rey. I just feel they were wasted on that story. And of the old set only Leia got good development. I don't like Mandalorian that much either tbh and I found that whole "he always wears his helmet" thing so freaking stupid. Let us see Pedro Pascal. He's hot...

I would disagree. I think Luke got excellent development.

I don't like the Vong either and they were also the point where I bailed out of the EU (that and Jacen becoming Darth Vader 2.0...which is another reason why I'm not thrilled with the new movies)
The Vong were too "Warhammer 40k" for me (they are basically the Tyranids crossed with the Necrons...).
I was just using them as an example to something else than "the Rebellion vs the Empire...again"
Say what you will about the Prequel Trilogy, but at least it felt a lot more different from the Original Trilogy (imho)

The PT was so different it felt like an entirely different franchise, especially TPM.

Personally, I would have preferred the First Order to be a larger unknown Force based conquering power from the Unknown Regions. But, the reemerging Empire makes sense to me too.

 

[Orphalesion]

Personally, I would have preferred the First Order to be a larger unknown Force based conquering power from the Unknown Regions.

Yeah I think I would have liked that better as well.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I like The Mandalorian a whole lot but it just feels a bit toothless sometimes, especially in both season finales.

I love "The Mandalorian" and like my Heroes wearing Armor =D

I REALLY enjoyed both season finales as well!

 

[somebuddyX]

I love "The Mandalorian" and like my Heroes wearing Armor =D

I REALLY enjoyed both season finales as well!

Nice. Well I like my Star Wars to be like Star Wars: The Original Star Wars where Obi-Wan bought it on the Death Star or almost every member of Red and Gold squadron's bought it attacking the Death Star. Or in Empire when tons of Rebels are killed defending Echo Base or when Luke gets his hand cut off or Han gets thrown in carbonite or on Endor when Rebels and Ewoks are getting shot up by AT-STs or ships are getting dusted by the DS2.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Nice. Well I like my Star Wars to be like Star Wars: The Original Star Wars where Obi-Wan bought it on the Death Star or almost every member of Red and Gold squadron's bought it attacking the Death Star. Or in Empire when tons of Rebels are killed defending Echo Base or when Luke gets his hand cut off or Han gets thrown in carbonite or on Endor when Rebels and Ewoks are getting shot up by AT-STs or ships are getting dusted by the DS2.

You seem pretty "Pro Empire" =D

 

[somebuddyX]

You seem pretty "Pro Empire" =D

actually, there's probably some truth to that. When I read the Thrawn trilogy I love the Thrawn bits just as much as the New Republic stuff and my favourite Star Wars game was TIE Fighter.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

actually, there's probably some truth to that. When I read the Thrawn trilogy I love the Thrawn bits just as much as the New Republic stuff and my favourite Star Wars game was TIE Fighter.

You should subscribe to the "Generation Tech" YouTube channel. You'd feel right at home.

 

[drt]

Personally, I would have preferred the First Order to be a larger unknown Force based conquering power from the Unknown Regions. But, the reemerging Empire makes sense to me too.

Yeah, I'm ok with the First Order as presented, an Imperial remnant retaking systems seems like an expected occurrence after the fall of the Empire. The need for the Resistance was never really explained in the movies and it was was never clear to me why the New Republic couldn't engage the First Order directly. My assumption is that after the fall of the Empire only a few core worlds of the rebellion formed the New Republic, while the rest of the galaxy splintered into a multitude of different powers and that maybe the Resistance operated unofficially in those non-Republic systems. (Maybe this was explained in the books or comics.)

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, I'm ok with the First Order as presented, an Imperial remnant retaking systems seems like an expected occurrence after the fall of the Empire. The need for the Resistance was never really explained in the movies and it was was never clear to me why the New Republic couldn't engage the First Order directly. My assumption is that after the fall of the Empire only a few core worlds of the rebellion formed the New Republic, while the rest of the galaxy splintered into a multitude of different powers and that maybe the Resistance operated unofficially in those non-Republic systems. (Maybe this was explained in the books or comics.)

It was better explained in the books but basically the New Republic swung to a heavily anti-military stance, to the point that they had limited martial resources, save for their fleet, which was large enough to deter most uprisings in the Core and Mid Rim. The Outer Rim remained largely unaffiliated, and the Imperial Remnant had its own little space. The Resistance was Leia's answer to trying to deal with what she saw as an emerging First Order threat. The rest of the Senate regarded it as a non-threat and Leia's efforts as war-mongering.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It looks like Disney is vastly increasing the amount of live action Star Wars in the near future:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-star-wars-and-10-marvel-series-and-new-films

Star Wars traditionally has not been involved in live action television, but that has changed with streaming, so now Star Wars and Star Trek will be competing for eyeballs in the streaming wars.

With that in mind how do you think the Mandolarian compares with the current Star Trek shows?

Well at least one series has a sense of respect for the source material on Disney+ surprisingly because those JJStar Wars movies were a complete slap in the face to everything Star Wars. While the other shows on CBSAA seem to be embarrass by where Star Trek came from and continues to rewrite it's history and mold it to something it never was and just can not be. Star Trek can not and will never be Star Wars but these idiots in "Kurtzman World" is trying desperately to make it happen.

 

[Sci]

those JJStar Wars movies were a complete slap in the face to everything Star Wars.

Don't be ridiculous. They were loving tributes that attempted both to recapture the original magic and to develop it into new directions.

While the other shows on CBSAA seem to be embarrass by where Star Trek came from and continues to rewrite it's history and mold it to something it never was and just can not be.

In the past couple of years of CBSAA Star Trek shows, we've seen

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Harry Mudd, the Mirror Universe, Section 31, Christopher Pike, Number One, Spock, Vina, the Talosians, Jean-Luc Picard, Data, Hugh, Seven of Nine, Will Riker and Deanna Troi (twice!), the USS Titan, the planet Trill, the planet Vulcan, the Vulcan/Romulan unification arc finally followed up on after 30 years, new dimensions to Romulan society, the first Bajorans on TV in twenty years, Orions, Andorians, Tellarites, Vulcans, the systematic re-creation of the TNG aesthetic on Lower Decks, and the Guardian of frickin' Forever.

C'mon. What more do modern Star Trek creators have to do to dispel the ridiculous notion they're "embarrassed" by Star Trek, get down on their knees and kiss William Shatner's smelly ass?