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MemoryAlpha editor refuses to change Adira's Gender to "Non-Binary"

From my understanding of Gender... (Speaking as a Cisgender Man)

Not all biologically born Men display masculine traits, nor feel masculine. Not all biologically born women feel feminine or look and act feminine. Some people are born with non-typical sexual organs either.

Gender is something society perpetuates, and because there are stereotypical traits associated at the feminine end or the masculine end of the Gender Spectrum - where people feel they fall on that spectrum, will play a big part in what Gender they associate to themselves.

Non-Binary is usually someone who feel like they do not fit one side or the other - and there are other terms people will use, such as Androgynous.

People who feel a need to Transition from their "biological" or "assigned" gender - to the one they feel reflects their personality, soul, desires etc - can be very overwhelming due to a dysphoria that affects their lives so profoundly. More and more people are feeling more confident to take that brave step, and correct society and what it forces upon them, so seeing others be respected, and acknowledge, can save them from mental anguish, and even suicidal thoughts.

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Now on to Sexual Orientation (Speaking as a Demisexual Gay Man)

Sexual Orientation is not just about whether you are attracted to masculine or feminine appearance and personalities - there is also what degree of sexual attraction you have to any gender - and what circumstances allow sexual or romantic attraction to form.

Not everyone experiences an attraction to people, either by looking at their appearance, or their personality. These would fit the Asexual spectrum. You can be romantically interested in a gender or multiple genders, but have no interest in sex at all.

I myself, am Demisexual, which means I do not experience physical attraction to anyone without an emotional connection. So I have a boyfriend and only feel sexual desire when with them.

It is also common to find "Straight" men who are attracted to, or have a sexual desire for Trans Women. Because of the appeal of femininity or their outward appearance. And what is between their legs is less important.

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All of this nuance and complication and we are only talking about humans here. Who is to say other societies, other planets, and other races - don't have their own societal constructs, and biological realities.

To anyone who is not Cisgendered, Allosexual, or Heterosexual - please correct me if my understanding is in error - I feel very self conscious speaking about things I have not experienced myself, and I want to be an ally to as many people as I can
More or less, when you describe gender that’s gender roles now. The idea that men have certain traits and women have certain traits. That’s entirely social and changes over time and across other cultures. The easiest way to describe it is sex is what’s between your legs and gender is what between your ears. While some people are gender fluid and can change over time or even a day, for most people gender is essentially hardwired into our brains. Usually setting in around age 5 or 6 when children figure out there is a difference between the sexes. This is also when trans people tend to realize something isn’t quite right. I remember being in Kindergarten and being really confused why I had to line up with the boys instead of the girls to go the restroom or whatever else they would line us up for. I don’t even know how else to explain but anytime I had to perform any role or be referred to as a male, it would feel wrong. Over time it developed into worse feelings that made my teenage years and 20s into a very dark time.
 
Absolutely disheartening to see this. I'm glad Rapp and Cruz got involved.
From what I’ve read when the actors who play Adira and Gray first came on set the two of them took them under their wings due to their age and this being their first major roles. I think that shows through in the performances with Stamets just immediately going into dad mode with Adira to the point where he was mad at Gray for not appearing because of how much it bothered Adira.
 
It was very powerful in this whole context when Culber held Gray in his arms and said they'd do whatever they can to make him SEEN. Probably the best moment of the whole episode. Hope S4 is gonna keep addressing that.

I totally agree. This is an amazing thing.

When Grey first appeared in the holo I really got excited for the rest of the episode and that line just made it really feel like Star Trek . It made me feel really happy for the rest of the episode.
 
Not everyone keeps their genitals in the same place, but female and male genitals perform the same process, regardless of the species.

Gender is the persons functioning reproduction system that they are born with and has been proven by science to be 100% correct.

Sexual orientation is the gender that you choose that most satisfies a sexual need or urge which science has once again proven to be 100% correct.

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Actually science and medical doctors have backed up everything trans people report about their experience. You claim this dogshit is 100% science, it is if you have an understanding of biology that ended at age 12.
From Scientific America.
the science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real. It is time that we acknowledge this. Defining a person’s sex identity using decontextualized “facts” is unscientific and dehumanizing. The trans experience provides essential insights into the science of sex and scientifically demonstrates that uncommon and atypical phenomena are vital for a successful living system. Even the scientific endeavor itself is quantifiably better when it is more inclusive and diverse. So, no matter what a pundit, politician or internet troll may say, trans people are an indispensable part of our living reality.

Transgender humans represent the complexity and diversity that are fundamental features of life, evolution and nature itself. That is a fact.
The article goes into detail about how sex and gender is expressed in our genes and how the notion of sex being binary is a childlike simplification meant only to explain what chromosomes are.

If you want to claim something is science, you might want to actually look it up first. It’s so easy.
Here’s one.
Gene variants provide insight into brain, body incongruence in transgender

Here’s another.
Science of Transgender Identity

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Shall I continue? You can Google this yourself, but I doubt you care about actual 100% science or you would’ve checked before posting something easily proven wrong.
 
Blatant transphobia and completely unjustifiable.
I don't think it's transphobic to accept the fact that biological sex is real or to think that biological sex should be noted in a character's infobox. People have a variety of opinions on the subject, but when you call someone transphobic and they know they aren't, they'll just think you're a crazy SJW and stop listening to anything you have to say.

Wow! As I nonbinary person myself this is so disappointing. I expected better from memory alpha
ETA: Its also incredibly ridiculous and cowardly, they rather remove the gender section of sidebar entirely then just have Adira gender say Nonbinary, christ... Is there anyway we can get rid of the Archduk3 Admin?
To Court Vince and any other non-binary people on this thread, I invite you to participate in the discussion at Talk:Adira Tal. If listing Adira's biological sex distresses you, please explain why. We've had lots of comments from allies, but I don't think we've had one from an actual non-binary person yet (yes, I know now that some of them posted on twitter, I'm referring to the actual discussion page).
I go by the username NetSpiker on Memory Alpha.

By the way, I did try to get Archduk3 removed as an admin for reasons that had nothing to do with the current issue. You can read about it here.

For the record, "Archduk3" was one of the people who rejected to my request that the photograph of the Orion woman played by Bobbi Sue Luther in ENT Season 3 not be placed in the "Orion" article's infobox because it's misogynistic and sexually-objectifying to have that be literally the first image you see of Orion women -- especially since there are non-objectified Orion women characters who have appeared since.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there's nothing wrong with an image of a woman in a bikini. It doesn't hurt women any more than an image of a shirtless man would hurt men. It's called sexual attraction, not sexual objectification and it's a natural process that leads to the propagation of the human species. As a heterosexual male, it makes me very angry when people like you vilify my sexual orientation by trying to push for censorship of sexy images with this "objectification" nonsense.
 
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It was very powerful in this whole context when Culber held Gray in his arms and said they'd do whatever they can to make him SEEN. Probably the best moment of the whole episode. Hope S4 is gonna keep addressing that.
For trans people it has an extra layer of meaning since once they are living as who they really are people start to actually see them as the person that they really are. and not someone they were forced to be. There’s an even more wonderful moment where they actually get to see themselves in the mirror for the first time. It’s something that I will always cherish.
 
I don't think it's transphobic to accept the fact that biological sex is real or to think that biological sex should be noted in a character's infobox. People have a variety of opinions on the subject, but when you call someone transphobic and they know they aren't, they'll just think you're a crazy SJW and stop listening to anything you have to say.
It is transphobic and scientifically inaccurate. Read the articles I posted a moment ago, it shows how that’s a gross simplification of biology.

Anyone can have opinions, but a lot of them are clearly wrong. Like that one and yours, but you’re welcome to be wrong.
 
I think a more profound thing DS9 did (also probably by accident) is show how easy it is for even a drunk old man to effortlessly affirm a transitioned person's new name and pronouns.
That's how we should be. The Daxes didn't get upset if it was a simple mistake cause people knew their former selves and haven't met the new one yet. These people didn't repeat that mistake, and didn't question the Daxs' own statements of what their names are. Sisko used "old man" as a joke, and Dax laughed with him instead of being offended. But I guess the important difference is that Trill cherish their former hosts and see them as part of themselves, while real-life trans/NB people never had previous identities that were correct at the time.
 
^Yeah, anyone that uses the term "SJW" with a straight face clearly isn't playing with a full deck.
Since I'm the one who wrote that piece and since this response received a lot of likes, I would like to defend myself. When I use the term "SJW", I'm not using it as a slur against progressive people. To me, an SJW is someone who is obsessed with censorship and political correctness; who viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with them and tries to get them fired from their jobs; who believes any criticism they receive is harassment but has no problem criticizing others; who hates anything that a man might find sexy; who uses the term "white privilege" to diminish the accomplishments of white people; who uses the terms "manspreading" and "mansplaining" to attack men; who hates straight white men, yet claims to be against racism and sexism.

You get the picture. There are even some transgender people who use this term in the same context. I hope that clears things up.
 
Since I'm the one who wrote that piece and since this response received a lot of likes, I would like to defend myself. When I use the term "SJW", I'm not using it as a slur against progressive people. To me, an SJW is someone who is obsessed with censorship and political correctness; who viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with them and tries to get them fired from their jobs; who believes any criticism they receive is harassment but has no problem criticizing others; who hates anything that a man might find sexy; who uses the term "white privilege" to diminish the accomplishments of white people; who uses the terms "manspreading" and "mansplaining" to attack men; who hates straight white men, yet claims to be against racism and sexism.

You get the picture. There are even some transgender people who use this term in the same context. I hope that clears things up.
"SJW" as a term has only ever been used by bigots to try and label those that oppose them as (putting it VERY mildly) busybodies. It's a dog-whistle, plain and simple. If you think it means something else, you're wrong and should not use it because it's going to make you look like a prejudiced nutter.
 
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"SJW" as a term has only ever been used by bigots to try and label those that oppose them as (putting it VERY mildly) busybodies. It's a wolf-whistle, plain and simple. If you think it means something else, you're wrong and should not use it because it's going to make you look like a prejudiced nutter.
I don't know how you came to this conclusion. I use the term the same way it's used by most content creators on YouTube: to describe toxic, hateful, hypocritical people.
 
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I think you mean "dog whistle" there. A "wolf whistle" is quite different.
You know I thought I got that wrong when I typed it, but couldn't think of the right term. Well whatever, I think the intent is clear but I edited it nonetheless. ;)
I don't know how you came to this conclusion.
This is what we call a "you problem".
I use the term the same way it's used by most content creators on YouTube: to describe toxic, hateful, hypocritical people.
*cough*bullshit*cough*
 
Social justice is a good thing. It's about achieving justice for individuals in or through society. Fighting for it (being a "warrior") has been the core of Star Trek's ethos since they first decided to focus on military officers in space.

It's a perversion of etymology that SJW transformed into a negative somehow in the last ten years. I have no doubt that many who use it don't realize this, and they are just mimicking others (that's kind of how language works), but just like attacking feminism or attacking anti-facism, being anti-social justice makes no sense at face value.
 
Social justice is a good thing. It's about achieving justice for individuals in or through society. Fighting for it (being a "warrior") has been the core of Star Trek's ethos since they first decided to focus on military officers in space.

It's a perversion of etymology that SJW transformed into a negative somehow in the last ten years. I have no doubt that many who use it don't realize this, and they are just mimicking others (that's kind of how language works), but just like attacking feminism or attacking anti-facism, being anti-social justice makes no sense at face value.
The term SJW is used somewhat ironically. SJWs don't actually care about social justice, or at least they have a very twisted view of what social justice means and how it should be implemented. By viewing everyone in terms of their race, they are only contributing to racism, not fighting it. And by attacking straight white men, they are encouraging white supremacy by proving the white supremacists right when they say the white race is under attack. SJWs are also quick to turn against the women/minorities they are supposed to be protecting if those minorities disagree with them in any way.
 
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