Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

[eschaton]

It would have been interesting if they used the Burn as some global warming analogy. Like, maybe once enough dilithium is being simultaneously utilized across a wide area of space, it impacts all other dilithium, which then causes some sort of subspace catastrophe which blows everything up. And it's inevitable it's going to keep happening, again and again, if warp travel recovers fully. Indeed, this is why there's not so many old civilizations banging around in the galaxy.

But then they discover a dilithium planet anyway.

The Federation would have to make some hard choices in response. Is it better to try and live frugally today, in hopes of a better future? Or should the Federation live high on the hog while it can for a few centuries, hoping to somehow find another method of propulsion once everyone is all linked up again?

 

[fireproof78]

It would have been interesting if they used the Burn as some global warming analogy. Like, maybe once enough dilithium is being simultaneously utilized across a wide area of space, it impacts all other dilithium, which then causes some sort of subspace catastrophe which blows everything up. And it's inevitable it's going to keep happening, again and again, if warp travel recovers fully. Indeed, this is why there's not so many old civilizations banging around in the galaxy.

But then they discover a dilithium planet anyway.

The Federation would have to make some hard choices in response. Is it better to try and live frugally today, in hopes of a better future? Or should the Federation live high on the hog while it can for a few centuries, hoping to somehow find another method of propulsion once everyone is all linked up again?

It's not like they can't do that any way.

 

[Discofan]

It would have been interesting if they used the Burn as some global warming analogy. Like, maybe once enough dilithium is being simultaneously utilized across a wide area of space, it impacts all other dilithium, which then causes some sort of subspace catastrophe which blows everything up. And it's inevitable it's going to keep happening, again and again, if warp travel recovers fully. Indeed, this is why there's not so many old civilizations banging around in the galaxy.

But then they discover a dilithium planet anyway.

The Federation would have to make some hard choices in response. Is it better to try and live frugally today, in hopes of a better future? Or should the Federation live high on the hog while it can for a few centuries, hoping to somehow find another method of propulsion once everyone is all linked up again?

Well, there's always the iconian gateways.

 

[NX_01]

That's not unique to Burnham. We have a show that's literally called Star Trek: Picard and while it doesn't say Saint Picard (spoilers if for some reason you haven't watched Picard yet)

Spoiler

Picard literally dies for the sins of the Federation and is miraculously resurrected. That was way, way, way more 10x on the nose to deifying Picard than anything Discovery has remotely done with Burnham.

And that's not even getting into Cadet to Captain Kelvin Timeline Kirk.

And it was not necessary at all, the season would have been as good/bad without even mentioning his condition and therefore doing is THING. It's not like TNG put a timestamp on it .....

 

[Lord Garth]

And it was not necessary at all, the season would have been as good/bad without even mentioning his condition and therefore doing is THING. It's not like TNG put a timestamp on it .....

The AGT future was generally accepted as 2395. The first season of Picard took place in 2399. And in the Present Day portion of "All Good Things" Crusher said that Picard had a problem in his parietal lobe.

PIC's era intersected with AGT's, so I think they did have to have it in there. Plus it gave Starfleet more reason to doubt him if they think he's ill.

 

[ananta]

I rate this piece of garbage "1". Discovery (or Star Trek: Saint Michael) has been a consistently poor show with bad writing by soap opera writers, but this season finale really took the cake.

1? Then how would you rate legitimately bad episodes like ‘Threshold’, ‘Code of Honor’, ‘Way to Eden’? In minuses? I mean, I can understand not everyone will love everything but there’s not a trace of objectivity about your rant. If you’re still hate-watching this far into the series (of “Saint Michael”), then I feel sorry for your joyless burden. Life is too short, my friend. Go watch Mandalorian or something that you actually find enjoyment in.

 

[daedalus5]

Like many of you, I don’t know about how I feel on this episode. The drama of potentially killing the crew, Burnham becoming captain, the terrible holodeck = sub space, the magnetic warp engines, Book using the spore drive and the ghastly turbo lift and computer core sets. However, then they go and make it bloody brilliant with the ship warping away to the original Trek theme music, and I feel so emotional, I’ll give it a 10.

Lockdown is really draining and I love Fridays being Star Trek day, so if any of the production folks read this, keep up the good work and I’ll see you for season 4. Bravo. The possibilities are endless.

 

[fireproof78]

And it was not necessary at all, the season would have been as good/bad without even mentioning his condition and therefore doing is THING. It's not like TNG put a timestamp on it .....

As if fans would let that tiny detail go unremarked upon. Also, to @Lord Garth's point it allows Starfleet to be skeptical of Picard's capability as well.

 

[Discofan]

Like many of you, I don’t know about how I feel on this episode. The drama of potentially killing the crew, Burnham becoming captain, the terrible holodeck = sub space, the magnetic warp engines, Book using the spore drive and the ghastly turbo lift and computer core sets. However, then they go and make it bloody brilliant with the ship warping away to the original Trek theme music, and I feel so emotional, I’ll give it a 10.

Lockdown is really draining and I love Fridays being Star Trek day, so if any of the production folks read this, keep up the good work and I’ll see you for season 4. Bravo. The possibilities are endless.

What's next on the agenda?
Strange New Worlds, Section 31, Picard?

 

[UssGlenn]

Since when have starships been vulnerable to poison canisters being thrown at them?

I remember a certain cloud vampire making trouble in TOS.

 

[NX_01]

The AGT future was generally accepted as 2395. The first season of Picard took place in 2399. And in the Present Day portion of "All Good Things" Crusher said that Picard had a problem in his parietal lobe.

PIC's era intersected with AGT's, so I think they did have to have it in there. Plus it gave Starfleet more reason to doubt him if they think he's ill.

Also there could have been medical improvements, it was the writers decission to go this path ;-)

 

[jackoverfull]

The plot of the episode was pretty straight forward, one could even say it was by the numbers. Not overly complex, convoluted or obfuscated.

More like almost completely missing in favor of empty action sequences and repetition.

It seemed like a paint by numbers story that was stretched out too long. If it had been resolved in one episode, it would've been better by being shorter. Just making it longer doesn't make it more elaborate. It could have been condensed to one episode, as similar storylines in the past have been

Pretty much: they could have easily condensed this 3-parter in two episodes for a better result.

The voiceover mentioned that because of Osyraa's death, the Chain fractured (aka, its disorganized and probably no longer a viable threat to the Federation - right now, the Chain is likely being reduced to independent 'pirate operations' that SF will need to deal with occasionally [think Orion Pirates from the 23rd century], but otherwise, shouldn't be too huge of a threat).

thanks, missed that.

You know, there could be potential here for some decent stories in Season 4.

The potential is huge, let’s hope they harness it.

But yeah a child crying, wiping out millions, causing empires to fall, seems like a story worth to be told.

One must appreciate the irony, at least: we’ve been discussing how crying is bad for discovery for months now, turns out is bad in universe as well!

For a while I wondered how the Ni'Var fleet could get there so quickly. .

same way Book’s Ship did: plot-drive.

*better idea: Make him a KLINGON. THAT oughta make the crew dramatically uncomfortable at first.

a Klingon first officer would be a very interesting thing!

Overall, this season was a major bust with maybe three great episodes. There wasn't a lot of stakes here. Future society looks not at all different from 23C society, technologically. There was almost no attempt to create a truly new and alien universe. This was the producer's chance to really reboot the show and make it their own and it's still star fleet and phasers and shields. But the chairs float and the consoles look like that thing with the metal pins you stick your face in.

agreed. Hopefully they’ll build on the future of the future next year, so far they haven’t domenica much with it.

 

[Amasov]

It would have been interesting if they used the Burn as some global warming analogy. Like, maybe once enough dilithium is being simultaneously utilized across a wide area of space, it impacts all other dilithium, which then causes some sort of subspace catastrophe which blows everything up. And it's inevitable it's going to keep happening, again and again, if warp travel recovers fully. Indeed, this is why there's not so many old civilizations banging around in the galaxy.

But then they discover a dilithium planet anyway.

The Federation would have to make some hard choices in response. Is it better to try and live frugally today, in hopes of a better future? Or should the Federation live high on the hog while it can for a few centuries, hoping to somehow find another method of propulsion once everyone is all linked up again?

Yeah, I was hoping for something similar in that I hoped that the shortage of dilithium before the burn would've been like a depleting of fossil fuels analogy.

 

[Yistaan]

ok just started watching, I hope Stamets redeems himself, at the moment he is a terrible Starfleet officer. You do not put loved ones before the mission, at least Worf went through a struggle to 'do the right thing', Stamets will let the whole fleet burn as long as Hugh is left alive. He should have taken that job on Vulcan

If I were Starfleet's enemy, I would make kidnapping Dr. Culber a prime objective. It should be happening every other week, like Bowser kidnapping Princess Peach. However, the revelation that Stamets is no longer needed for the spore drive in light of Book and literally the entire Kwejian species probably keeps Culber safe for now.

 

[fireproof78]

The potential is huge, let’s hope they harness it.

They won't.

 

[Tuskin38]

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Hm I can't embed this gif

 

[Nyotarules]

If I were Starfleet's enemy, I would make kidnapping Dr. Culber a prime objective. It should be happening every other week, like Bowser kidnapping Princess Peach. However, the revelation that Stamets is no longer needed for the spore drive in light of Book and literally the entire Kwejian species probably keeps Culber safe for now.

Having completed it I take back my criticism of Stamets, I forgot Burnham was not his superior officer when she was 'commanding' him, they are of the same rank so he had a right to be pissed I suppose. The stank eye he gave her does not bode well for season 4 now she is captain, but she won't be the first captain he has a dispute with, he never liked Lorca lol

 

[Mage]

10 seconds of skimming this topic have made me glad I follow my own opinions and not those of the TrueTrek religion.

"Let's fly."

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Having completed it I take back my criticism of Stamets, I forgot Burnham was not his superior officer when she was 'commanding' him, they are of the same rank

Stamets is a LCDR. Burnham was a full CDR for season 2, then was promoted to Captain. So she's outranked Stamets for the last two seasons.

(In the first season, Stamets outranked Burnham, because she'd had her rank taken away.)

 

[Discofan]

Stamets is a LCDR. Burnham was a full CDR for most of season 2, then was promoted to Captain. So she's outranked Stamets for the last two seasons.

Too bad we're not in the Kelvin-verse where you can go from cadet to Vice-Admiral in five years... Harry Kim is turning in his grave...