Vance.
Who's your favorite new character?
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Grudge the Cat.
Ryn. But you all knew I'd say that. 
Was thrilled when he was in a second episode. Now dreading he will get killed off.
Was thrilled when he was in a second episode. Now dreading he will get killed off.
Adira, Vance and Kovich are all very good characters.
Overall I have liked most of the new characters with only the Orion's and Trill being a bit bland
Overall I have liked most of the new characters with only the Orion's and Trill being a bit bland
Book is a great addition to the cast, if only because I’m low key in love with David Ajala. Grudge is wonderful too and fortunately wasn’t written out after one episode like Number One in Picard. The chemistry between he and Michael is wonderful and he brings out the best and warmest in her character.
I like Vance but feel we’ve only scratched the surface of his character so far. I feel he’s hiding something.
I liked Adira initially and ‘Forget Me Not’ was a high point of the entire series. I do feel they have become a little redundant now with not much to do, and the acting is maybe a tad one note.
David Cronenberg has only had two brief appearances but he’s acing it. I desperately want to know more about this character.
I like Vance but feel we’ve only scratched the surface of his character so far. I feel he’s hiding something.
I liked Adira initially and ‘Forget Me Not’ was a high point of the entire series. I do feel they have become a little redundant now with not much to do, and the acting is maybe a tad one note.
David Cronenberg has only had two brief appearances but he’s acing it. I desperately want to know more about this character.
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It is definitely that and I don't think anyone is trying to hide it.
Hopefully in 10 years time people think it is weird that right now people think it is weird
My concern is more that in 10 years people will think it's weird because we'll have invented a new gender-neutral third person pronoun to replace the awkward use of "they."
I think the polarization we've had for the last 20-25 years just became a lot worse in 2020. Thus harder to get out of. Everything's a political issue now. Even how people identify has been politicized. So most people are going to be arguing about it for at least a generation. Some attitudes won't change so long as the people who have them live.
So, 10 years from now, I think we'll still be right where we are. Because it's not going anywhere. I'd love to be wrong.
So, 10 years from now, I think we'll still be right where we are. Because it's not going anywhere. I'd love to be wrong.
I think it will be a mixed bag. I think the polarization has come largely from social media and very loud voices. But, I have seen an interesting shift in attitudes even in ten years so ten more years I'll be curious to see.
I think things are constantly evolving in terms of the whole gender identity issue which is why I’m curious to see where it will go.I don’t think it’s a static thing... which is why I think if the creators make the future too much of a snapshot of now, it could end up dating things.
I’m gay and 40 and I’ve been fascinated to see how the generation below me have pushed things in new directions. 10 years ago I don’t think non-binary was even a thing (even today I don’t know any non-binary people personally). But I have long known both men who weren’t at all masculine and women who weren’t at all feminine. This to me has always just meant that being a ‘man’ or ‘woman’ isn’t a black and white thing, and can encompass a huge range of expression. I’m still getting used to the non-binary thing. I can definitely understand and emphasise with it, although sometimes I feel it could reinforce the belief that “if you don’t behave according to set gender norms and stereotypes than you’re not a man/woman”.
I’m glad Trek is finally being bolder in its exploration of sexuality and gender identity, especially after the enormously conservative Berman years. This is definitely a good start. But I do feel they need to think forward and postulate how things might truly evolve in a thousand years.
I’m gay and 40 and I’ve been fascinated to see how the generation below me have pushed things in new directions. 10 years ago I don’t think non-binary was even a thing (even today I don’t know any non-binary people personally). But I have long known both men who weren’t at all masculine and women who weren’t at all feminine. This to me has always just meant that being a ‘man’ or ‘woman’ isn’t a black and white thing, and can encompass a huge range of expression. I’m still getting used to the non-binary thing. I can definitely understand and emphasise with it, although sometimes I feel it could reinforce the belief that “if you don’t behave according to set gender norms and stereotypes than you’re not a man/woman”.
I’m glad Trek is finally being bolder in its exploration of sexuality and gender identity, especially after the enormously conservative Berman years. This is definitely a good start. But I do feel they need to think forward and postulate how things might truly evolve in a thousand years.
I have a friend who is few years younger than me (mid 30s) and is a butch lesbian. She's been mildly irked over the last 5 years or so that everyone just assumes she's non-binary now everywhere she goes because she's butch. LGBT culture evolved in a way that left her behind.
Yup. It works both ways. My one concern is that we're creating too many labels for people. And the more labels we have, the more opportunities we have for mislabeling.
Person A: "I'm this!"
Person B: "No, you're not, you're that!"
Person A: "No, I'm this! So please respect that I'm this!"
Person B: "Wait, but how are you not that, when... "
Person A: "Because not everyone who's ____ is ____!"
Person B: "I just don't understand... "
Person A: "Then just listen what I'm saying and please respect my wishes!"
Then, Person B still won't do it and will say something like, "I'm sorry! I just get things mixed up! (or "I just don't see it!") So don't blame me if I get confused." Even after Person A just told them twice.
My bottom line is: go with how someone -- anyone -- identifies themselves, and you'll never go wrong.
Generally speaking, yes. But it gets kinda awkward with people who are white and self-identify as black or something.
Yor joking?
I think Adira's story would have worked somewhat better if the correct pronouns had been revealed earlier, while they still had more to do before being sidelined to make more room for the designated main characters. More awkwardly, I already knew what the correct pronouns would be, thanks to the rather boastful advance publicity.
I was afraid such a pioneering character would be wasted in Discovery, but I think Adira is actually one of the most Star Trek Trek type characters. That's why they fits so well with Stamets; not because both are queer, but because both belong in a better show!
I was afraid such a pioneering character would be wasted in Discovery, but I think Adira is actually one of the most Star Trek Trek type characters. That's why they fits so well with Stamets; not because both are queer, but because both belong in a better show!
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