Where are the Klingons?

[Christopher]

What I really want/need is some mention of the Dominion. With the Federation in tatters, surely that would have been a huge opportunity for the Dominion to muscle back in?

Why assume the Dominion is in any better shape than the Federation? The Burn was galaxywide. If it had been targeted at only one part of the galaxy, then dilithium could've been replenished from elsewhere, or else the remaining unaffected powers would've long since moved in and either conquered the affected ones or helped them recover. So we can safely assume that every widespread, warp-dependent interstellar power in the galaxy was crippled or shattered altogether.

If anything, the Dominion would have been far less likely to survive the Burn, because it was an oppressive empire dependent on the Jem'Hadar's subjugation of the client worlds. With warp travel hobbled, the Founders wouldn't have been able to maintain their iron fist or put down insurrections. If the Dominion even still existed at the time of the Burn (700 years is a long time), it's profoundly unlikely that it would've survived long thereafter.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Burn was galaxywide.

We don't know that.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Why assume the Dominion is in any better shape than the Federation? The Burn was galaxywide. If it had been targeted at only one part of the galaxy, then dilithium could've been replenished from elsewhere, or else the remaining unaffected powers would've long since moved in and either conquered the affected ones or helped them recover. So we can safely assume that every widespread, warp-dependent interstellar power in the galaxy was crippled or shattered altogether.

If anything, the Dominion would have been far less likely to survive the Burn, because it was an oppressive empire dependent on the Jem'Hadar's subjugation of the client worlds. With warp travel hobbled, the Founders wouldn't have been able to maintain their iron fist or put down insurrections. If the Dominion even still existed at the time of the Burn (700 years is a long time), it's profoundly unlikely that it would've survived long thereafter.

If the Dominion is actually still around. I have my doubts about that. The way the founder homeworlds were presented on the starcharts in "Die Trying" may be a clue that at least the Founders are or were Federation members at least before the burn.

I really would like to see a federation friendly changeling in a future episode, as a sign of hope and to show how much times have changed.

 

[Timo]

Are we sure about that?

We really have to consider where Burnham ended up at when emerging from the timehole.

She aimed at Terralysium, 51k ly from Earth. She didn't hit Terralysium - but she did send her dying Angel Suit up to the sky one last time, to detonate with the final of her Seven Signs, and that Sign was observed 51k ly from Earth. And then he met Book, who took her to Sahil, who let her make a phonecall to Terralysium to ascertain her mom was not there. She did not get the opportunity to call Earth, though.

So odds are that Burnham actually did travel across the whole galaxy, in addition to doing time travel. And the Discovery then hit a location fairly close to her, so that she could reach that location by the conventional means of Booker's dilithium-starved starship. This after a year of her searching far and wide but never managing to visit Earth or even get close enough to that planet to catch the gossip on her seceding from the UFP. Only the spore drive would allow her to get to that neighborhood.

We thus would have good evidence of the Burn at two locations separated by half the diameter of the Trek galaxy.

(And never mind that Burnham does make reference to having visited Donatu during the year she spent with Book. Perhaps it was a different Donatu altogether, rather than Earth's next-door neighbor with the Klingon Konnektion?)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ScottJ85]

I hope that if they do feature the Klingons again, they focus on some other aspect of their culture than the one-dimensional honor-and-glory warrior culture crap we’ve seen a thousand times over.

 

[JRoss]

Fans during seasons 1 and 2: "Oh, I am so sick of the Klingons. They are not the be all and end all of the Star Trek universe. Give the other aliens representation or introduce someone new, FFS"
Fans during season 3: "Where is my General Martok? Where is my Honor song? Where is my bat'leth duel? Where have all the Klingons gone?"

Love the Paula Cole reference

 

[Tim Thomason]

I hope that if they do feature the Klingons again, they focus on some other aspect of their culture than the one-dimensional honor-and-glory warrior culture crap we’ve seen a thousand times over.

The Pacifist Caste took over the Empire and slaughtered all the warriors.

 

[Christopher]

The Pacifist Caste took over the Empire and slaughtered all the warriors.

Or they just waited for all the warriors to slaughter each other and picked up the pieces.

 

[Dryson]

Where are the Klingons in the 32nd century? Fighting the cold of space from under the warm covers of their beds, preying that the Federation shows up to save them.

 

[ScottJ85]

Or they just waited for all the warriors to slaughter each other and picked up the pieces.

I could see this actually being the direction they go with it. The warrior caste and their leadership get themselves killed in a pointless war that could have easily been averted.

 

[The Wormhole]

preying that the Federation shows up to save them.

I'm guessing you meant to say "praying" because otherwise, that sentence makes no sense at all.

 

[ITDUDE]

We have seen bunch of Klingons already. They all look like humans again. But don’t ask them about it, they don’t like to talk about it with outsiders

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm guessing you meant to say "praying" because otherwise, that sentence makes no sense at all.

Preying is right. Tribbles love to hid in beds So a Klingon must conduct a hunt every night before going to bed.

 

[Tim Thomason]

We have seen bunch of Klingons already. They all look like humans again. But don’t ask them about it, they don’t like to talk about it with outsiders

Fleet Admiral Ch'arls, son of Van'S

 

[seigezunt]

in the Batcave washing their tights