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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"

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Discovery is in the top 10 for the third straight day (as of yesterday) on worldwide Netflix, reaching the top 10 in 40 countries, and in the US it is in the top 10 most in-demand shows, hitting a new season-high for last week.
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Kirk is not a household name at least not the one played by Shatner who is no doubt the kirk you are referring to. A majority of the general public will know the Kirk played by Chris Pine, because Chris Pine is hot and graces the covers of magazines. Shatner is now a washed up has been that can only get attention by being an idiot on twitter.

Also Kate Mulgrew gained far more public attention with her role in Orange is the new black and as an accomplished stage actress than she ever did playing Janeway.

As much as I hate to admit it, Sir Patrick Stewart is as well-known (perhaps even better known) among lay movie goers for his role playing Professor Xavier in the "X-Men Movie" Series than for playing Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

And as a professional Shakeperean trained actor, he excelled in almost every movie or TV series he was on, even if they were complete box-office flop:

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As much as I hate to admit it, Sir Patrick Stewart is as well-known (perhaps even better known) among lay movie goers for his role playing Professor Xavier in the "X-Men Movie" Series than for playing Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

And as a professional Shakeperean trained actor, he excelled in almost every movie or TV series he was on, even if they were complete box-office flop:

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He'll always be Avery Bullock to me...

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How can the crying scene be used in a wrong situation?
The point of having someone cry in a scene is usually to display that the character is feeling a strong emotion due to the events in the scene. If the events of the scene don't seem very emotional or high stakes to the viewer they may rightly feel that was a bad choice by the writer.

If you have characters that cry at every small emotional scene some viewers may feel that the writer is not trying to portray emotion but more that the character is unhinged mentally.

Another problem and one many seem to have with DIS is a "boy who cried wolf" situation
 
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Kirk is not a household name at least not the one played by Shatner who is no doubt the kirk you are referring to. A majority of the general public will know the Kirk played by Chris Pine, because Chris Pine is hot and graces the covers of magazines. Shatner is now a washed up has been that can only get attention by being an idiot on twitter.

Also Kate Mulgrew gained far more public attention with her role in Orange is the new black and as an accomplished stage actress than she ever did playing Janeway.


Lol! Oh yeah sure Shatners Kirk is not a household name it never ever has been Pine made Kirk who he is today. Ah ha ha ha ah haha ha. Sorry but you TOS haters have no idea how popular Kirk has been and contributes to be. Shatner is known everywhere. Not even sure where you are getting your information.
 
Is crying supposed to be the new "What are TOS characters doing in Discovery?" Or is it the new complaining about "SJWs"? The latter of which never actually went away.

I guess we should have All Macho Trek all the time. Burnham goes on a killing spree, smokes a cigarette, then says, "All in a day's work! Even the Empress is terrified of me! We fight for peace just like I fuck Book for virginity!"

And it's even more fun when someone using sources from the Fandom Menace tells me that I've spent the past 41 years not knowing what the definition of crying is. And uses a Wikipedia Article that needs citations, just to "win" an argument. Which was then called out immediately. The whole thing is ridiculous.

You've posted on here pretty much every day defending the "crying" for what must be coming close to 2 weeks now. Great use of your time buddy.

Never seen someone get so emotional over nothing. I guess you and Burnham have something in common and that's why you have such a soft spot for the her.
 
Lol! Oh yeah sure Shatners Kirk is not a household name it never ever has been Pine made Kirk who he is today. Ah ha ha ha ah haha ha. Sorry but you TOS haters have no idea how popular Kirk has been and contributes to be. Shatner is known everywhere. Not even sure where you are getting your information.
So people are TOS haters now because they disagree with your assessment with Kirk being a household name? Really?
 
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Lol! Oh yeah sure Shatners Kirk is not a household name it never ever has been Pine made Kirk who he is today. Ah ha ha ha ah haha ha. Sorry but you TOS haters have no idea how popular Kirk has been and contributes to be. Shatner is known everywhere. Not even sure where you are getting your information.
You've posted on here pretty much every day defending the "crying" for what must be coming close to 2 weeks now. Great use of your time buddy.

Never seen someone get so emotional over nothing. I guess you and Burnham have something in common and that's why you have such a soft spot for the her.
The quality of the criticism during the first two seasons was a lot better than this. Of course, a lot of the time, it was also coming from much better posters.

I don't mind if someone disagrees with me. I don't mind if someone challenges my opinion. But this is like junior high. Please let me know when the adults come back to weigh in.
 
The point of having someone cry in a scene is usually to display that the character is feeling a strong emotion due to the events in the scene. If the events of the scene don't seem very emotional or high stakes to the viewer they may rightly feel that was a bad choice by the writer.

If you have characters that cry at every small emotional scene some viewers may feel that the writer is not trying to portray emotion but more that the character is unhinged mentally.

Another problem and one many seem to have with DIS is a "boy who cried wolf" situation

The problem with your explanation is that there is no universal measure to determine how strong the emotions are in response to a given event.
This reaction is always individual and depends on many factors, including cultural ones. Therefore, if in your opinion, the scene shows a too emotional reaction, you are entitled to do so, but that does not mean that you are also right.
Otherwise you could, for example, consider that the only correct emotional response is shown in Scandinavian crime series. If so, the rest of the world must be unhinged mentally.
 
The problem with your explanation is that there is no universal measure to determine how strong the emotions are in response to a given event.
This reaction is always individual and depends on many factors, including cultural ones. Therefore, if in your opinion, the scene shows a too emotional reaction, you are entitled to do so, but that does not mean that you are also right.
Otherwise you could, for example, consider that the only correct emotional response is shown in Scandinavian crime series. If so, the rest of the world must be unhinged mentally.
Of course the reaction is always individual and of course my opinions are only in my opinion.Should I not give my opinion is unless it has universal agreement or something.

I'm watching a show and giving a review of what I think the show done right and wrong which is exactly the point of this thread so I have no clue what your problem with that is
 
The quality of the criticism during the first two seasons was a lot better than this. Of course, a lot of the time, it was also coming from much better posters.

I don't mind if someone disagrees with me. I don't mind if someone challenges my opinion. But this is like junior high. Please let me know when the adults come back to weigh in.
I much prefer this to the season 1 criticism which always seemed to end up being a pile on of alt right ejits
 
Lol! Oh yeah sure Shatners Kirk is not a household name it never ever has been Pine made Kirk who he is today. Ah ha ha ha ah haha ha. Sorry but you TOS haters have no idea how popular Kirk has been and contributes to be. Shatner is known everywhere. Not even sure where you are getting your information.

The thing about emphatically universal claims like the one you just made is that it takes only one contrary event to invalidate them. So, I can tell you that Shatner isn't know everywhere these days. I teach courses in communication and culture, and from a sample size of about 500 college-aged students, only about 30 knew who William Shatner is. In fact, marginally more people (~55) knew Kirk from the 2009 films than TOS.

This is all informal, but I don't think the gloating laughing is necessarily earned in this case.

Now Spock, on the other hand...
 
The point of having someone cry in a scene is usually to display that the character is feeling a strong emotion due to the events in the scene. If the events of the scene don't seem very emotional or high stakes to the viewer they may rightly feel that was a bad choice by the writer.

If you have characters that cry at every small emotional scene some viewers may feel that the writer is not trying to portray emotion but more that the character is unhinged mentally.

Another problem and one many seem to have with DIS is a "boy who cried wolf" situation
Exactly, 1000 thousands times exactly.

So now people are TOS haters now because they disagree with your assessment with Kirk being a household name? Really?
Well, since it seems that if someone thinks there have been too much crying in recent discovery episodes he’s a discovery hater...

Hell TNG figures don't sell as well as TOS figures so what does that tell you?
That TNG is less popular than TOS. Which it is.
 
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