Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"

[jackoverfull]

I have a sinking feeling, given some of the creative choices so far, that origin of the burn will turn out to be some ridiculous mash-up of the remnants of Control and the future AI from Picard.

I really hope they don't do this but...

hope not. So far I don’t see anything pointing in that direction, but of course there is plenty of time to do it.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I never even noticed whispering?? First I’ve heard about it. As for the crying, first Burnham sees her brother as an old man and learns what became of his life, and later she has a cathartic scene with the mother she’d spent the best part of her life believing to be dead. I’d say those tears are earned. If it was TNG of course, we’d see little emotion aside from a stoic gazing into the middle distance at the end of the episode. Because these are the ‘evolved humans’ who don’t even get upset at death according to Gene’s vision.

I just dread to think how these people reacted to Kira’s crying scene in “Battle Lines”...

You are correct that Burnham should have cried during those moments. Taken is isolation that statement is fine but it's the boy who cried wolf and if you use it every week for every little thing it has no impact when you really need it

 

[eschaton]

hope not. So far I don’t see anything pointing in that direction, but of course there is plenty of time to do it.

Given there's one less episode this season, next episode is the equivalent in terms of arc location of If Memory Serves. This means if there is some sort of galactic threat I think it's the latest it could be reasonably unveiled.

But we haven't even had the slightest hint of it yet, which makes me think it's unlikely.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

CSI: Pointless Internet Argument

I'd watch it...

 

[TRON JA307020]

I think that people are really missing the point if they are looking to Trials and Tribble-ations as a grandiose, continuity saving explanation for the Klingons. All the writers wanted to do was to create an episode in which their characters could be like fans caught in a Star Trek episode. It's full of fun in-jokes and humor. Even the moment when O'Brien thinks the guy at the bar is Kirkis funny because it was indeed Kirk--it was the actor who was Shatner's body and stunt double. The speculation about the Klingons is just a throwaway, reflecting fan discussions about the same topic.

But they acknowledged the difference and gave a decent explanation that was satisfying. Basically in trials and tribulations we knew something had happened. Actually I wish enterprise didn’t elaborate. It was more fun to speculate what happened from what little worf told us and thinking about bashirs theory. The point is ds9 acknowledged TOS in a respectful way.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

But they acknowledged the difference and gave a decent explanation that was satisfying. Basically in trials and tribulations we knew something had happened. Actually I wish enterprise didn’t elaborate. It was more fun to speculate what happened from what little worf told us and thinking about bashirs theory. The point is ds9 acknowledged TOS in a respectful way.

Let's look at why the scene was implanted in the episode:

Ronald Moore wrote Worf's explanation (or lack thereof) into the script because he felt that there was "not a single explanation that's less than preposterous" for the make-up differences and he believed that fans could figure out why the Klingons looked so different. Bashir and O'Brien's dialogue concerning the issue had them suggesting reasons, "genetic engineering" or "viral mutation", that had long been proposed by fans as the reasons for the differences.

Yes, Enterprise stitched those ideas together, but in 1996, it was put in to play up the fun. Trying to backdate it as an attempt at a valid explanation is truly dishonest.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I love that they named a ship USS Yelchin.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But they acknowledged the difference and gave a decent explanation that was satisfying. Basically in trials and tribulations we knew something had happened.

IIRC, they also considered simply having Worf appear as a TOS-style Klingon and nobody would notice or react to it.

 

[eschaton]

IIRC, they also considered simply having Worf appear as a TOS-style Klingon and nobody would notice or react to it.

That would have been for the best.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

IIRC, they also considered simply having Worf appear as a TOS-style Klingon and nobody would notice or react to it.

Kirk also gives Sisko the hairy eyeball near the end of the episode. Perhaps Kirk wanted to get it on with Sisko. Of course, the reason why that happened is because Avery Brooks was inserted into a scene in which Kirk was about to flirt with Lt. Moreau. I guess we could go with either explanation--Kirk may have fallen for Sisko smooth bald head. The question I would raise is whether it is worthwhile to rest so much weight on an individual scene, or whether or not fans must consider it a mortal slight if for even a moment we might contemplate Kirk may have liked a man.

 

[GeneralMartok12]

This last episode failed my expectations, because we didn't see nothing about Vulcan-Romulan unification and their current relations on the planet (yeah, we seen that on Ni'Var we have basically three fractions).

Instead we were given by another portion of crying Michael Burnham, and ST 2009 promotion replay (Kirk-Tilly).

And I don't even want to mention Mom Burnham...

 

[Nerys Myk]

This last episode failed my expectations, because we didn't see nothing about Vulcan-Romulan unification and their current relations on the planet (yeah, we seen that on Ni'Var we have basically three fractions).

So, in other words we did see "nothing" about their current relations? Way to destroy your own argument, Newb.

Instead we were given by another portion of crying Michael Burnham, and ST 2009 promotion replay (Kirk-Tilly).

Yawn

And I don't even want to mention Mom Burnham...

And yet, you do but fail to follow through.

 

[The Leewit]

I've enjoyed this episode immensely. Burnham's humanity and self-introspection were on display, with the unexpected help from her no-nonsense compelling mom. The philosophical battle in the "court room" scenes were very amusing and thoughtful. And seeing Tilly stepping into the Number One position makes me giddy that she's getting an opportunity to shine and grow. Book and Burnham and Grudge...now that's a motley crew I can hang with. Overall, I'm enjoying the journey of Michael Burnham, with her extended family.

 

[Noname Given]

I am finding it hard to truly enjoy... anything because of the relentless criticism on the internet. The first thing I always think is "oh that will cause a fuss on this or that message board"...

The trick is not to worry about what other people think. If you enjoy something there's an absolutely nothing wrong with it. You can take even the best rated and most lauded Star Trek episode in the history of the franchise; and nitpick it to pieces for a lot of stuff.

Me I honestly personally cannot stand Star Trek Voyager, period. I gave it a full season and I found that they wrote Janeway so inconsistently I just couldn't stand it - but that's me.

The show itself does have a big fan base and people who think it's wonderful and probably a number who think it's the best Star Trek series of the franchise.
^^^
That doesn't make them right or me wrong; or me right and everyone else who likes to show wrong. Everybody has their own opinions, and things they enjoy and reasons for enjoying them.

You just have to realize that there is not one way to write a good episode that's 'perfect' And you can be guaranteed that an episode you love, somebody else really dislikes and thinks it's one of the worst episodes made.

So yeah if you enjoy it enjoy it; and don't worry about someone else's opinion. It doesn't make their opinion wrong, or your opinion right. You just need to realize everybody has different things that they look critically and different ways to look at things.

 

[fireproof78]

That being said, she comes across as surprisingly emotional for somebody socialised on Vulcan. Probably comes down to old she was when she was adopted by Grayson and her husband.

I think it comes down to the fact she was adopted after experiencing a trauma. And then that stoicism of Vulcan was layered on top of that, rather than dealing with what had happened. So, when she encounters the Klingons at the Battle of Binary Stars it brought that all back to the surface. So, those emotions came rushing back to the surface and she couldn't handle it.

 

[Noname Given]

"James T. Kirk never cried"?

Has this person never seen TSFS and the moment Kirk learns his son has been killed? I know that would require being aware of the franchise which a lot of so-called fans clearly aren't.

Or "City on the Edge of Forever"; "Requiem for Methuselah" - and hell, there are plenty of scenes where Kirk is being overwrought and emotional over the loss of this week's red shirt In numerous episodes.

And oh my god, Spock. This unemotional Vulcan got so emotional so often, he's the subject of many memes on over-emotionality.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Just caught a bit of what MIGHT be an easter egg...I'm not putting it in spoilercode because it's really not a huge revelation...

One of the three ships (whose black box recordings Burnham is using) is called the Gav'Nor. That name sounds suspiciously like Bok'Nor, a Cardassian vessel destroyed by the Maquis in an episode of DS9. Perhaps the Gav'Nor is also Cardassian?

(not only are the names similar, but the Gav'Nor black box itself looks vaguely like a Cardassian data rod of the type often used on DS9)

 

[Yistaan]

Just caught a bit of what MIGHT be an easter egg...I'm not putting it in spoilercode because it's really not a huge revelation...

One of the three ships (whose black box recordings Burnham is using) is called the Gav'Nor. That name sounds suspiciously like Bok'Nor, a Cardassian vessel destroyed by the Maquis in an episode of DS9. Perhaps the Gav'Nor is also Cardassian?

(not only are the names similar, but the Gav'Nor black box itself looks vaguely like a Cardassian data rod of the type often used on DS9)

It's Pah Wraith time.

Dukat: Soon the Pah wraiths will burn across Bajor, the Celestial Temple, the Alpha Quadrant. Can you picture it? An entire universe set in flames, to burn for all eternity.

 

[Jadeb]

Given there's one less episode this season, next episode is the equivalent in terms of arc location of If Memory Serves. This means if there is some sort of galactic threat I think it's the latest it could be reasonably unveiled.

But we haven't even had the slightest hint of it yet, which makes me think it's unlikely.

Didn’t PIC unveil the terrible tentacle monsters from beyond right at the end? I can’t remember exactly when the entire universe again became imminently imperiled, but it seems like it was pretty late — the last couple of episodes. Or am I misremembering?

 

[Yistaan]

Didn’t PIC unveil the terrible tentacle monsters from beyond right at the end? I can’t remember exactly when the entire universe again became imminently imperiled, but it seems like it was pretty late — the last couple of episodes. Or am I misremembering?

Yep. They were pretty underwhelming too. They didn't even say anything like, "Die organic scum!" or call Picard an "ugly meatbag" or "Ugly bags of water" (I believe the latter phrase was actually used in a TNG episode).