given the frequency we see power outages and malfunctions on Star Trek this strikes me as a horrible idea.
Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!
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Well, what did we expect? They have to wear something. 
Most Starfleet uniforms (and there are a lot of them now) are pretty decent, and these look suitably Trek style.
RAMA
Most Starfleet uniforms (and there are a lot of them now) are pretty decent, and these look suitably Trek style.
RAMA
So, here they are -- the future Starfleet uniforms finally appear in 3x05 "Die Trying"
First impressions:
- Grey.
- Starfleet still likes a close fit.
- Admirals still have redundant duplication of insignia!
- The new combadges are there.
- The tick / check-marks on the collar definitely seem to have significance.
The new uniforms seem to come in several basic types:
1. A more formal variant with a jacket and a coloured stripe down the right side of the body
So far, we can see white and also (on background extras) blue and golden yellow.
2. A less formal variant (a one piece) with coloured sleeves and yoke and a different torso and legs.
So far, we have seen what appears to be dark blue over the standard grey and white over what could be the grey but might be the same dark blue (the lighting makes it a little tricky to be sure.
3. The Admirals' variant of the formal grey jacket
No coloured stripe down the front but a coloured patch at the front of the collar and matching piping around the edge of the collar and the shoulders. In this case, the colour is red. There are black epaulette / shoulder straps with gold piped edging and insignia that seem to follow the mirrored pair of insignia on the collar.
The close-up shots also reveal that there's quite a bit more construction detail in terms of the texture / quilting on the shoulders that can be seen from a distance.
Let the discussion begin...!!
So, here they are -- the future Starfleet uniforms finally appear in 3x05 "Die Trying"
First impressions:
- Grey.
- Starfleet still likes a close fit.
- Admirals still have redundant duplication of insignia!
- The new combadges are there.
- The tick / check-marks on the collar definitely seem to have significance.
The new uniforms seem to come in several basic types:
1. A more formal variant with a jacket and a coloured stripe down the right side of the body
So far, we can see white and also (on background extras) blue and golden yellow.
2. A less formal variant (a one piece) with coloured sleeves and yoke and a different torso and legs.
So far, we have seen what appears to be dark blue over the standard grey and white over what could be the grey but might be the same dark blue (the lighting makes it a little tricky to be sure.
3. The Admirals' variant of the formal grey jacket
No coloured stripe down the front but a coloured patch at the front of the collar and matching piping around the edge of the collar and the shoulders. In this case, the colour is red. There are black epaulette / shoulder straps with gold piped edging and insignia that seem to follow the mirrored pair of insignia on the collar.
The close-up shots also reveal that there's quite a bit more construction detail in terms of the texture / quilting on the shoulders that can be seen from a distance.
Let the discussion begin...!!
I agree with Captain Foley, spandex doesn't look good on some people with chunky body types.
That's why I prefer the later early DS9 / VOY uniforms and later DS9 uniforms where they're loose fitting slacks and loose fitting zip up jacket.
The vertical stripe reminds me of a variation of the TMP & WoK uniforms where you have tight fitting + vertical stripes.
That's why I prefer the later early DS9 / VOY uniforms and later DS9 uniforms where they're loose fitting slacks and loose fitting zip up jacket.
The vertical stripe reminds me of a variation of the TMP & WoK uniforms where you have tight fitting + vertical stripes.
Different collar devices, different epaulets.
what kind of nitpick are they doing this time?
None really. I posted it because I thought it was a good breakdown, not because they were doing anything nitpickt.
Different combadge, different collar devices, different epaulette devices, no red edging around the shoulder patches, shoes instead of tall boots.
Hmmm.
Some interesting discussion but, as ever, I'm afraid the Trekyards guys have plain and simple missed a bunch of details.
I'd agree that Senna Tal's uniform is different than the "new" admiral and the most likely explanation is indeed that it was intended to represent a previous iteration but one clearly within the evolution of the new "current" uniform. That's a clever touch in terms of the production and the costume design; nicely done.
The guys seem to have completely missed that Tal's combadge and both the collar and shoulder insignia are clearly from a very different scheme to those seen on the "current" uniforms.
If Senna was meant to be the last host before Grey, who then recieved the Tal symbiont when the Admiral died (and was, presumably, not able to return to Trill), that would kinda make sense. It's not explicitly made clear but it would appear that Tal was intended to be fairly elderly, perhaps having served in Starfleet for many decades, and potentially isolated from the rest of Starfleet for some time prior to his death. I guess it's also possible that the image Adira was seeing of Senna Tal may have been what he looked like some years before his death and maybe his uniform represented the last iteration of Starfleet dress prior to the final schism with Earth...?
The most problematic previous Tal host is the woman wearing the light grey uniform that is also apparently Starfleet. Her costume has a golden-yellow stripe down the front on the right-hand side; it is clearly meant to be similar to the look of the "current" uniforms but it's not the same. Equally, she has diamond-shaped insignia on both sides of her collar; they're not exactly the same as those worn by Senna Tal but they could potentially be from the same overall pattern of insignia.
What is odd, however, is that she appears to be wearing the "newest" version of the combadge, the same ellipse with rank markings down the left-hand edge that the Disco crew will soon receive. This seems out of sequence. Even if she was the host immediately before Senna, then she ought to be wearing at least the same badge that he is wearing, if not yet another different, earlier version given that, best guess, she could have been host some fifty or perhaps substantially more years prior to Senna.
I kinda like the idea of Tal's previous hosts and Adira coming to understand them but, even allowing for the Tal symbiont spending some time back on Trill in the pools, the timescales for the hosts and the details of the costumes don't quite seem to have been fully thought through, even though there are some good ideas in the mix.
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Is Senna Tal supposed to be some sort of "Grand Admiral" (six-star), judging from the six triangles on his shoulder epaulets? Or just a Rear Admiral (two-star), judging from the two triangles on his collar? I thought it'd be cool for him to be a six-star, suggesting an incremental increase in rank positions (a la the real-world US, which went from having just two-star Major Generals until the Civil War to having five-star Generals of the Army in World War II), but the five-star "Fleet Admiral" Oded Fehr in the trailer, presumably the head of Starfleet, belays that thought.
Yes, I wondered about the six triangles on each shoulder too. We've never seen a rank senior to the equivalent of the five-star Fleet Admiral / Admiral of the Fleet. Who knows...?! But then if he really was that senior, why would he be left behind...?
Maybe those epaulette markings are just not meant to be significant in the way we think they are but I guess it would have made more sense if they had put three triangles on each shoulder and pitched him as a Vice Admiral or something like that.
All told, despite the fact that it's kinda fun to look at the minutiae and discuss them, sometimes it's best just not to over-analyse things like this, particularly for one-off costumes created for guest actors because the details just don't always add up...!
Maybe those epaulette markings are just not meant to be significant in the way we think they are but I guess it would have made more sense if they had put three triangles on each shoulder and pitched him as a Vice Admiral or something like that.
All told, despite the fact that it's kinda fun to look at the minutiae and discuss them, sometimes it's best just not to over-analyse things like this, particularly for one-off costumes created for guest actors because the details just don't always add up...!
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Based on the uniform, I think she was the host after Senna Tal, but before Grey.
That would make more sense given that Senna Tal's message was 12 years ago.
Plenty of time to jump to two more hosts by then.
Senna Tal's entire uniform seems to be a pre-cursor to the new Admiral's uniform.
Different Sholder Marks, Combadge, Uniform Texture, Uniform Color Trim.
And the Vertical Stripe reminds me of a mix of TMP era White uniforms, but with the WoK style Vertical Stripe bit, but use the Division colors instead of a Black Vertical Line.
Both Grey and Adira seem too young to have had Tal for 12 years so it is possible.
Senna's outfit looks cheap but the combadge is a much nicer version of the new design than the one that just looks like a plain gold egg in the light
They are right about the fact that LD seems far more aware of the fact that Trek fans care about these things where as sometimes the PIC and DIS just threw uniforms and ships at us without caring about the details.
We are here debating what this or that symbol means on a uniform but with Kurtztrek I worry that there is no meaning other than it looked cool
They look like Death Star commandersSo, here they are -- the future Starfleet uniforms finally appear in 3x05 "Die Trying"
First impressions:
- Grey.
- Starfleet still likes a close fit.
- Admirals still have redundant duplication of insignia!
- The new combadges are there.
- The tick / check-marks on the collar definitely seem to have significance.
The new uniforms seem to come in several basic types:
1. A more formal variant with a jacket and a coloured stripe down the right side of the body
So far, we can see white and also (on background extras) blue and golden yellow.
2. A less formal variant (a one piece) with coloured sleeves and yoke and a different torso and legs.
So far, we have seen what appears to be dark blue over the standard grey and white over what could be the grey but might be the same dark blue (the lighting makes it a little tricky to be sure.
3. The Admirals' variant of the formal grey jacket
No coloured stripe down the front but a coloured patch at the front of the collar and matching piping around the edge of the collar and the shoulders. In this case, the colour is red. There are black epaulette / shoulder straps with gold piped edging and insignia that seem to follow the mirrored pair of insignia on the collar.
The close-up shots also reveal that there's quite a bit more construction detail in terms of the texture / quilting on the shoulders that can be seen from a distance.
Let the discussion begin...!!
I agree with the lad from Trekyards who was saying that they look like really nice uniforms but wouldn't stand out as Trek in a sci-fi convention. He went for The Expanse you say Star Wars someone else said Babylon 5 and my mind went to Bill Adama which isn't great tbh.
I like the side strip one though as it's got funky TMP vibes
Perhaps this is intentional. We don't know what post-Burn Starfleet is like. It may be worse than Section 31.
The contrasting Gold & Silver Combadge is nicer IMO than the monotone Bajoran looking Combadge.
Monotone Combadges are kind of boring to look at IMO.
I don't think anyone thinks they look bad but something about the colour or more the cut makes them look generic and I think a bit cheap too
Well, I really hope not. I don’t need discovery to turn good a now evil federation, I’d like them to be a game changing asset to help an already good but relatively weak one regaining their status.
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