they’re clearly ignoring Gene’s vision.
What none of the Aliens have three breasts?
Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!
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What none of the Aliens have three breasts?
I'm flabbergasted!
Ah! Sorry, was being obtuse...
@XCV330 -- Were you thinking of the Trill host, Admiral Tal, from 3x04 ?
It's definitely a very similar uniform but there are a few differences in the details, presumably intended to indicate an earlier version of this pattern of uniform. The shoulder rank marks are very different and the combadge is more like a gold version of the delta from the Picard 2390s badge but placed on a silver / graphite elliptical background (still with the Discovery-style asymmetrical split). The collar looks much the same but I don't think it has the piping around the shoulder pieces.
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A bit more detail from the one-piece uniforms:
(I forgot I had these pics from the earlier promo footage)
(I forgot I had these pics from the earlier promo footage)
Just don’t touch his fishHe'll always be Antoine Laconte: Male Gigolo to me.
With all the new Trekspam we have, the unis feel a bit... like they're struggling to come up with something new. Kinda generic sci-fi, but with good production values.
That said, I LOVE the TNG 30th anniversary/Discofied badge Admiral Tal wears in S03E04
That said, I LOVE the TNG 30th anniversary/Discofied badge Admiral Tal wears in S03E04
I liked that the Trill had their own clothing style
Yes, it's not a bad half-way house, although a LOT can happen in over 900 years...!
I wonder if it was actually one of the alternative combadge designs they considered during development for either Picard or S3 of Discovery and ultimately didn't use -- but a good one to bring out for something like this.
If the admiral was the immediate predecessor host to Grey, I guess he was still active in Starfleet within the last 50 years (or maybe a lot less), which could potentially make him someone around in the immediate aftermath of the Burn. It might be stretching things to place him as an active officer at the time of the Burn but I guess they could stretch the lifespan of the Trill hosts to make that fit if they need to call on his knowledge of that for plot purposes...!!
On the same lines, but perhaps a slightly bigger scale, I wonder how much they thought through some of the costumes they re-cycled for the scene with all the previous hosts? Use of the late-2390s uniform suggests a sequence going back at least 800 years or so. How long are those Trill hosts meant to live...?
Thanks to everyone for sharing the images. I had not seen these, except the dark grey/light grey from the promo.
My first look on the new uniforms were Admiral Senna Tal, and the junior officer Tal from "Forget Me Not".
Quality-wise, the tailoring and quilting is impressive. I also get the Bajoran vibe from Admiral Tal's uniform.
That being said, I don't like the design so far. They make for good uniforms but don't look particularly Starfleety too me. This could be the uniform of any random 24th century space military civilization from TNG or encountered by Voyager in the DQ. It's missing a pronounced yoke/torso split combined with vibrant department colors. Imho, the Wells uniform (as the Relativity outfit is called in STO) did a great job of toying with the 24th century Starfleet uni, in terms of yoke split and department color switch.
Perhaps they could have gone for something 'cool' for the 31st/32nd century, like the Beyond landing party uni but with black leather involved?
My first look on the new uniforms were Admiral Senna Tal, and the junior officer Tal from "Forget Me Not".
Quality-wise, the tailoring and quilting is impressive. I also get the Bajoran vibe from Admiral Tal's uniform.
That being said, I don't like the design so far. They make for good uniforms but don't look particularly Starfleety too me. This could be the uniform of any random 24th century space military civilization from TNG or encountered by Voyager in the DQ. It's missing a pronounced yoke/torso split combined with vibrant department colors. Imho, the Wells uniform (as the Relativity outfit is called in STO) did a great job of toying with the 24th century Starfleet uni, in terms of yoke split and department color switch.
Perhaps they could have gone for something 'cool' for the 31st/32nd century, like the Beyond landing party uni but with black leather involved?
Senna Tal's uniform is a different from the ones we see in the promos for next week, he also has a different badge, I'm assuming it's an earlier uniform design, maybe pre-burn.
The only differences between Tal's and Admiral "Mummy's" uniform I can see, is different epaulets, and the red stripes down the front between the "flaps" on Mummy's uniform. Combadge seems the same.
Edit: You are right, the combadge is different. Same shape, different details.
My first thought too
The overall future "vibe" of the new Starfleet has something of that 2001: A Space Odyssey / ST:TMP "everything is bright and pale" futurism feel about it, both the uniforms and the sets / lighting.
I agree that they seem to have lost a bit of the "Starfleet" continuity feel that continued from TNG through Picard but, honestly, it's been nearly a millennium! The Discovery crew bypassed all of the uniforms we previously knew from TMP / Maroons / TNG (inc. later variants) / Picard , pretty much the moment they entered the wormhole!
There have been another 750 years or so after Picard but pre-Burn, from which we haven't yet seen *anything* so who knows what the evolution of the uniforms was during that period!
It's really important not to lose sight of just how vast the time-jump really was in respect of technology, culture, design. Look back at Washington's Continental Army and contemporary European uniforms with tail coats, waistcoats, breeches, wigs, tricorn hats and then consider the Civil War area, the late-19th / very early-20th Century (or mid- late-Victorian era in the UK), on into WW1, WW2 and then the Cold War mid- to late-20th Century. Contemporary uniforms bear little or no relationship to their early predecessors!
1000 years ago, Europe in the early- to mid-11th Century was still an agrarian, feudal or tribal / clan- based society; Imperial Rome was long gone by over half a millennium in the West but still persisted in the East around Constantinople. There was little by way of uniforms and true mediaeval heraldry and liveries were still several hundred years in the future.
Initially, military uniforms evolved from
The household liveries of monarchs and high-ranking nobles in the 16th and 17th Centuries. Form prevailed over function and styling of military uniforms was often driven by contemporary civilian fashions.
There were big stepwise changes along the way, such as the shift to having more practical field uniforms, separate from more ornamented dress uniforms and then, later, the introduction of drab colors, with traditional National colours and designs reserved for purely ceremonial purposes. Later still, high-performance synthetic materials replaced traditional fabrics and design became fully oriented to maximise functionality — but all of those changes happened over the last 300 years or so, with most occurring within the last century or so!
How much could be expected to happen over nearly 1000 years?!
Our cultures don’t really have an equivalent structured organisation with over a millenium of direct continuity so we have no real comparator but imagine for one moment that Captain James Cook, legendary British Royal Navy navigator, explorer and cartographer, returned to the U.K. after his second long, global voyage, not in 1775 but in 2020; what on Earth would he make of nuclear powered submarines compared to his small oak-timbered sailing ships, or the vastness of the new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers?! (or powered flight for that matter!). Similarly for electronics and satellite navigation that does in seconds what he meticulously plotted over years?! And that’s without even contemplating the huge cultural and geopolitical changes he would have to comprehend! — And that’s not even close to half the leap the Discovery crew have made!
(Incidentally, on his third and final voyage, Cook commanded HMS Resolution and he was accompanied by his colleague, Captain Clerke, commanding HMS Discovery !)
I agree that they seem to have lost a bit of the "Starfleet" continuity feel that continued from TNG through Picard but, honestly, it's been nearly a millennium! The Discovery crew bypassed all of the uniforms we previously knew from TMP / Maroons / TNG (inc. later variants) / Picard , pretty much the moment they entered the wormhole!
There have been another 750 years or so after Picard but pre-Burn, from which we haven't yet seen *anything* so who knows what the evolution of the uniforms was during that period!
It's really important not to lose sight of just how vast the time-jump really was in respect of technology, culture, design. Look back at Washington's Continental Army and contemporary European uniforms with tail coats, waistcoats, breeches, wigs, tricorn hats and then consider the Civil War area, the late-19th / very early-20th Century (or mid- late-Victorian era in the UK), on into WW1, WW2 and then the Cold War mid- to late-20th Century. Contemporary uniforms bear little or no relationship to their early predecessors!
1000 years ago, Europe in the early- to mid-11th Century was still an agrarian, feudal or tribal / clan- based society; Imperial Rome was long gone by over half a millennium in the West but still persisted in the East around Constantinople. There was little by way of uniforms and true mediaeval heraldry and liveries were still several hundred years in the future.
Initially, military uniforms evolved from
The household liveries of monarchs and high-ranking nobles in the 16th and 17th Centuries. Form prevailed over function and styling of military uniforms was often driven by contemporary civilian fashions.
There were big stepwise changes along the way, such as the shift to having more practical field uniforms, separate from more ornamented dress uniforms and then, later, the introduction of drab colors, with traditional National colours and designs reserved for purely ceremonial purposes. Later still, high-performance synthetic materials replaced traditional fabrics and design became fully oriented to maximise functionality — but all of those changes happened over the last 300 years or so, with most occurring within the last century or so!
How much could be expected to happen over nearly 1000 years?!
Our cultures don’t really have an equivalent structured organisation with over a millenium of direct continuity so we have no real comparator but imagine for one moment that Captain James Cook, legendary British Royal Navy navigator, explorer and cartographer, returned to the U.K. after his second long, global voyage, not in 1775 but in 2020; what on Earth would he make of nuclear powered submarines compared to his small oak-timbered sailing ships, or the vastness of the new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers?! (or powered flight for that matter!). Similarly for electronics and satellite navigation that does in seconds what he meticulously plotted over years?! And that’s without even contemplating the huge cultural and geopolitical changes he would have to comprehend! — And that’s not even close to half the leap the Discovery crew have made!
(Incidentally, on his third and final voyage, Cook commanded HMS Resolution and he was accompanied by his colleague, Captain Clerke, commanding HMS Discovery !)
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I don't think we're ready for a nudist Federation.they’re clearly ignoring Gene’s vision.
From a costuming perspective there's only so many ways you can make a futuristic jumpsuit/uniform without resembling a futuristic jumpsuit/uniform on another sci-fi show or movie or one for a previous production of the same franchise. Plus that's something the fanbase would immediately pick out.
So they're fine.
So they're fine.
There's a very narrow line between futuristic and just plain bizarre for its own sake. I think whenever someone says "It's not futuristic enough!", they really mean "I don't know what I want! I just don't want that!" But then the minute it starts looking like The Future in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, they'd be like "What the Hell is this?!?!!"
If anything, going too over-the-top with making things look Super-Ultra "Oh my God!" Futuristic would just backfire. Everything looks dated after a certain point, but if they made it too outlandish then it would end up looking even more dated than it would've otherwise because the "future" would only reflect the extreme excesses of the time it was made in.
I think DSC S3 is striking a pretty good balance.
Yes, absolutely!
I agree with both of you on this!
I agree with both of you on this!
could be a huge budget-saving for the show!
Ya but putting the show in the 23rd century meant it got eat alive on this point by the shows detractors
All uniforms are holographic, and can be changed at will. Think comm-badge=mobile emitter/personal transporter.
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