Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!

[Blue Squadron]

There's a bit of conjecture and extrapolation here, but it looks like we're going to see 3189 uniforms that look something like this:

We don't yet know the significance of the red details on the admiral's uniform. It could be the Command division colour but it may just be specific to flag officers. Equally, we don't know what the white stripe denotes -- it could be Command if they reach back to the TWOK-era undershirts, or it could be Medical if they have chosen to follow this through from the original Discovery uniforms. The white shoulders and sleeves on the officers apparently interviewing Georgiou probably don't help much here -- are they command offers doing debriefing or medical officers doing a psych evaluation? I guess we'll know in a week...!

I would have thought it would make more sense to have the admiral version and the standard officer version more in line with one another.

Either use the vertical front stripes for both, perhaps something like this:

Or use the quilted shoulder-patch elements for both, perhaps something like this:

It would even be possible to combine the shoulder patches with matching coloured sleeves that would then tie-in to the design of the one-piece jumpsuit uniforms with their coloured upper-body and sleeve sections. For good measure, there's also another alternative take on the flag officer and medic uniforms. I guess it would also be perfectly possible to mix-and-match all the versions from this pic and those from the image above within one bigger uniform scheme.

These, perhaps, also have some visual cues from the 29th Century uniforms, even if the colours may have reverted to being closer to those we are more familiar with from the TNG era.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

I would have thought it would make more sense to have the admiral version and the standard officer version more in line with one another.

Or, better yet, not actually HAVE an "admiral version". They didn't in TOS, and I'm fairly sure most modern militaries don't either.

 

[Blue Squadron]

Yep, that was the basis of my previous comment!

 

[fireproof78]

There's a bit of conjecture and extrapolation here, but it looks like we're going to see 3189 uniforms that look something like this:

We don't yet know the significance of the red details on the admiral's uniform. It could be the Command division colour but it may just be specific to flag officers. Equally, we don't know what the white stripe denotes -- it could be Command if they reach back to the TWOK-era undershirts, or it could be Medical if they have chosen to follow this through from the original Discovery uniforms. The white shoulders and sleeves on the officers apparently interviewing Georgiou probably don't help much here -- are they command offers doing debriefing or medical officers doing a psych evaluation? I guess we'll know in a week...!

I would have thought it would make more sense to have the admiral version and the standard officer version more in line with one another.

Either use the vertical front stripes for both, perhaps something like this:

Or use the quilted shoulder-patch elements for both, perhaps something like this:

It would even be possible to combine the shoulder patches with matching coloured sleeves that would then tie-in to the design of the one-piece jumpsuit uniforms with their coloured upper-body and sleeve sections. For good measure, there's also another alternative take on the flag officer and medic uniforms. I guess it would also be perfectly possible to mix-and-match all the versions from this pic and those from the image above within one bigger uniform scheme.

These, perhaps, also have some visual cues from the 29th Century uniforms, even if the colours may have reverted to being closer to those we are more familiar with from the TNG era.

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Honestly, I know its not a straight line in continuity but seeing the colored jacket reminds me of the DS9/NEM dress uniforms in the color and styling.

 

[Blue Squadron]

Or, better yet, not actually HAVE an "admiral version". They didn't in TOS, and I'm fairly sure most modern militaries don't either.

To expand a bit on my previous answer...

Yeah, I agree -- if contemporary uniforms are a basic benchmark then for most naval services, senior officers wear the same basic uniform as all other officers, the main difference being the increasing amount of gold distinction lace around the sleeves as rank increases. Beyond that, the only other changes tend to be the addition of one row of gold embroidered oak leaves on the peak of the service cap for Commander and Captain (and Commodore in some nations) and then two rows of oak leaves for Admirals.

In this respect, I guess the blue Discovery uniforms actually come the closest, with the different patterns of gold on the shoulders for Captains and Admirals echoing the gold oak leaves on the caps.

Similarly, the TWOK-era maroon uniforms were basically the same for all officers but admirals had the extra sleeve band with a line of gold inside the black edging of the front flap of the jacket and the same on the trouser stripes.

Some of the TNG variants, particularly the early versions, were waaaay over-the-top compared to the equivalent standard uniform. The season 4 (and onwards) admiral uniform was probably the least ostentatious of the TNG variants and had most in common with the
equivalent mandarin-collared standard uniform.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

In the same way that you see everything is derivative, And somehow believe that the people involved in The production of the Star Trek Discovery series must not like science fiction because:

"New and original ideas are so easy..."

Really? why not do some rough sketches yourself and put them up here and let us tear them apart because believe me - The majority of science fiction uniforms I've seen across 140 years of science fiction have always taken their inspiration from history, or other areas of the entertainment industry.

It's very easy to claim something as 'unoriginal' when you have no idea how such things are created in the first place.

And my friend you don't seem to have any clue in that respect.

I am so very sorry sir lets never criticise anything ever again lets just all sit around and tell each other how perfect Discovery is and everyone who does their job is brilliant at it.
And dont put thing I didnt say in quotes "friend"

Speaking of history I watched a downfall sketch tonight and the admirals uniform looks a bit like the grey Nazi ones.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

There's a bit of conjecture and extrapolation here, but it looks like we're going to see 3189 uniforms that look something like this:

We don't yet know the significance of the red details on the admiral's uniform. It could be the Command division colour but it may just be specific to flag officers. Equally, we don't know what the white stripe denotes -- it could be Command if they reach back to the TWOK-era undershirts, or it could be Medical if they have chosen to follow this through from the original Discovery uniforms. The white shoulders and sleeves on the officers apparently interviewing Georgiou probably don't help much here -- are they command offers doing debriefing or medical officers doing a psych evaluation? I guess we'll know in a week...!

I would have thought it would make more sense to have the admiral version and the standard officer version more in line with one another.

Either use the vertical front stripes for both, perhaps something like this:

Or use the quilted shoulder-patch elements for both, perhaps something like this:

It would even be possible to combine the shoulder patches with matching coloured sleeves that would then tie-in to the design of the one-piece jumpsuit uniforms with their coloured upper-body and sleeve sections. For good measure, there's also another alternative take on the flag officer and medic uniforms. I guess it would also be perfectly possible to mix-and-match all the versions from this pic and those from the image above within one bigger uniform scheme.

These, perhaps, also have some visual cues from the 29th Century uniforms, even if the colours may have reverted to being closer to those we are more familiar with from the TNG era.

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I quite like the grey with the chest pads and grey sleeves you done. Would be cool to have those and the top set as ship and station crew or officer and crewman

 

[Noname Given]

I am so very sorry sir lets never criticise anything ever again lets just all sit around and tell each other how perfect Discovery is and everyone who does their job is brilliant at it.
And dont put thing I didnt say in quotes "friend"

Speaking of history I watched a downfall sketch tonight and the admirals uniform looks a bit like the grey Nazi ones.

There's criticism and then there's being ridiculous. They've interviewed many of the people who work behind the scenes on the show, And the majority of them do enjoy some form of science fiction even if they haven't been fans of Star Trek itself.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

There's criticism and then there's being ridiculous. They've interviewed many of the people who work behind the scenes on the show, And the majority of them do enjoy some form of science fiction even if they haven't been fans of Star Trek itself.

No surprise there really. Im gonna guess a lot of them were Mass Effect fans because I see a lot of its style in newer Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

There's criticism and then there's being ridiculous. They've interviewed many of the people who work behind the scenes on the show, And the majority of them do enjoy some form of science fiction even if they haven't been fans of Star Trek itself.

Which I would prefer but even if they note some inspiration that doesn't mean it automatically translate in to current Trek. Honestly, I see more just generic scifi tropes than anything specific.

I am so very sorry sir lets never criticise anything ever again lets just all sit around and tell each other how perfect Discovery is and everyone who does their job is brilliant at it.
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Or, let's no assume ill intent or lack of imagination on the part of the production team. That would go a long way to making criticisms actually feel like they are coming from a place of love and respect for Trek rather than Discovery is bad and reflects negative view of DSC, intentional or not.

 

[Imaus]

There's a bit of conjecture and extrapolation here, but it looks like we're going to see 3189 uniforms that look something like this:

We don't yet know the significance of the red details on the admiral's uniform. It could be the Command division colour but it may just be specific to flag officers. Equally, we don't know what the white stripe denotes -- it could be Command if they reach back to the TWOK-era undershirts, or it could be Medical if they have chosen to follow this through from the original Discovery uniforms. The white shoulders and sleeves on the officers apparently interviewing Georgiou probably don't help much here -- are they command offers doing debriefing or medical officers doing a psych evaluation? I guess we'll know in a week...!

I would have thought it would make more sense to have the admiral version and the standard officer version more in line with one another.

Either use the vertical front stripes for both, perhaps something like this:

Or use the quilted shoulder-patch elements for both, perhaps something like this:

It would even be possible to combine the shoulder patches with matching coloured sleeves that would then tie-in to the design of the one-piece jumpsuit uniforms with their coloured upper-body and sleeve sections. For good measure, there's also another alternative take on the flag officer and medic uniforms. I guess it would also be perfectly possible to mix-and-match all the versions from this pic and those from the image above within one bigger uniform scheme.

These, perhaps, also have some visual cues from the 29th Century uniforms, even if the colours may have reverted to being closer to those we are more familiar with from the TNG era.

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Would look better in black....

But great disecction.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Or, let's no assume ill intent or lack of imagination on the part of the production team. That would go a long way to making criticisms actually feel like they are coming from a place of love and respect for Trek rather than Discovery is bad and reflects negative view of DSC, intentional or not.

Or you could stop assuming everyone who dislikes something about DIS is one of these trolls who will forever hate it for any reason christ Im not KPNuts. Ive been around for the fights over Defiant not having nacelles or Voyagers S-foil nacelles and am not holding DIS up to unfair standards but picking Trek apart has always been part of Trek which is why we are Trekkies and as far as I know the first and one of the few shows so fanatical we have a name and conventions so get used to the criticism.

 

[fireproof78]

Or you could stop assuming everyone who dislikes something about DIS is one of these trolls who will forever hate it for any reason christ Im not KPNuts. Ive been around for the fights over Defiant not having nacelles or Voyagers S-foil nacelles and am not holding DIS up to unfair standards but picking Trek apart has always been part of Trek which is why we are Trekkies and as far as I know the first and one of the few shows so fanatical we have a name and conventions so get used to the criticism.

Speaking of assumptions thats a big one. I said nothing about being a troll.

And, no, despite attending conversations in costume I've not seen the picking apart in constant fashion. I guess I missed out...

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Based on the uniform, I think she was the host after Senna Tal, but before Grey.
That would make more sense given that Senna Tal's message was 12 years ago.
Plenty of time to jump to two more hosts by then.


Senna Tal's entire uniform seems to be a pre-cursor to the new Admiral's uniform.
Different Sholder Marks, Combadge, Uniform Texture, Uniform Color Trim.

And the Vertical Stripe reminds me of a mix of TMP era White uniforms, but with the WoK style Vertical Stripe bit, but use the Division colors instead of a Black Vertical Line.

Senna died in 3187 onboard the generation ship and tal was passed to gray. The unidentified female starfleet officer is a host previous to senna, maybe the direct predecessor to senna given the similar uniforms.

 

[jackoverfull]

Senna died in 3187 onboard the generation ship and tal was passed to gray. The unidentified female starfleet officer is a host previous to senna, maybe the direct predecessor to senna given the similar uniforms.

speaking of the hosts and their clothing, I find interesting I missed on that one. I saw five or so persons in generic clothing, a Starfleet command section officer from the Picard era and then obviously Senna, on whom the camera lingered on. I didn’t recognize that person as wearing a Starfleet uniform at all, it just looked very generic.

 

[Blue Squadron]

It would appear that she's definitely Starfleet -- but the costume details are odd and potentially problematic.


Adm Senna Tal:

This uniform has a lot of similarities to the uniform of the senior admiral from 3x05 but the details are definitely different (see earlier discussion in previous posts!), implying an "earlier" version in the evolution of these uniforms.


The other Starfleet officer Tal host:

She's wearing the "current" 3189 combadge, with the two pips of a lieutenant on the left-hand edge of the ellipse.


These guys are, apparently, background extras from the 3189 scenes in 3x05:

It looks like they are wearing blue-stripe and yellow-stripe versions of this uniform:

The history of the Tal hosts seems a little confused...

I agree that the script seems to make it clear that Senna Tal was the host immediately preceding Grey, and that the female Starfleet host was a previous host (possibly even the immediate predecessor...?) -- but the details all seem a bit murky:

How (and where) did Tal die on the generation ship, en-route to find the Federation? How did Adira then get back to Earth, and then join the EDF in the timescale required for her to be involved in the inspection of Discovery? This all seems a little vague, like the writers hadn't completely thought through the implications of the tight and rather convoluted timescale they had invented for these events.

Why was an apparently earlier host wearing the "new" version of the combadge if she had to have preceded Tal? Her one-piece uniform is light grey and has an off-set coloured stripe (apparently Operations yellow) down the right hand side, which seems to signal some similarities to the "current" 3189 uniforms. Equally, her paired collar insignia (while different to those on Admiral Senna Tal's uniform) do look like they could either be part of the same system, or at least part of a precursor system that evolved into the one that includes Senna's insignia.

It would have made much more sense if she was, at least, wearing the same combadge as Senna Tal (or maybe a version with a silver delta and graphite ellipse, as against the admiral's gold delta). Even better, she should probably have had a completely different combadge, but certainly not the "current" version.

I have a feeling this is going to turn out to be one of those typical uniform SNAFUs that we're just going to have to ignore as time goes by...

 

[NCC-73515]

The color stripe over one shoulder actually reminds me of the TOS Romulan uniform towels XD

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

It would appear that she's definitely Starfleet -- but the costume details are odd and potentially problematic.


Adm Senna Tal:

This uniform has a lot of similarities to the uniform of the senior admiral from 3x05 but the details are definitely different (see earlier discussion in previous posts!), implying an "earlier" version in the evolution of these uniforms.


The other Starfleet officer Tal host:

She's wearing the "current" 3189 combadge, with the two pips of a lieutenant on the left-hand edge of the ellipse.


These guys are, apparently, background extras from the 3189 scenes in 3x05:

It looks like they are wearing blue-stripe and yellow-stripe versions of this uniform:

The history of the Tal hosts seems a little confused...

I agree that the script seems to make it clear that Senna Tal was the host immediately preceding Grey, and that the female Starfleet host was a previous host (possibly even the immediate predecessor...?) -- but the details all seem a bit murky:

How (and where) did Tal die on the generation ship, en-route to find the Federation? How did Adira then get back to Earth, and then join the EDF in the timescale required for her to be involved in the inspection of Discovery? This all seems a little vague, like the writers hadn't completely thought through the implications of the tight and rather convoluted timescale they had invented for these events.

Why was an apparently earlier host wearing the "new" version of the combadge if she had to have preceded Tal? Her one-piece uniform is light grey and has an off-set coloured stripe (apparently Operations yellow) down the right hand side, which seems to signal some similarities to the "current" 3189 uniforms. Equally, her paired collar insignia (while different to those on Admiral Senna Tal's uniform) do look like they could either be part of the same system, or at least part of a precursor system that evolved into the one that includes Senna's insignia.

It would have made much more sense if she was, at least, wearing the same combadge as Senna Tal (or maybe a version with a silver delta and graphite ellipse, as against the admiral's gold delta). Even better, she should probably have had a completely different combadge, but certainly not the "current" version.

I have a feeling this is going to turn out to be one of those typical uniform SNAFUs that we're just going to have to ignore as time goes by...

It's probably one we just have to let go. I'm just gonna head canon that admirals wore different badges in that version of the uniform.

The generation ship couldn't have been far from earth if Adira is only 16 now so I'm just gonna ignore her age too

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

It's probably one we just have to let go. I'm just gonna head canon that admirals wore different badges in that version of the uniform.

The generation ship couldn't have been far from earth if Adira is only 16 now so I'm just gonna ignore her age too

This is head canon, but she said, she* woke up in an escape pod wich got launched in open space.
She could have been in stasis in there for a few years before she* got picked up by an Earth ship? That would take care of the age problem.
Or the ship literally only made it to the asteroid belt in the sol system. Was that ship named Titanic btw?

*pronoun provisional

 

[jackoverfull]

he could have been in stasis in there for a few years before she* got picked up by an Earth ship? That would take care of the age problem.

There is the problem that Senna was active on earth only 8 years before, though.