No matter what CBS will fall back on TOS. It has been that way since the marketing kits I saw for Trek 09 (probably longer).
Spoilers Ah, the NEW uniforms...!
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Then you're correct that Star Trek will never innovate.
Yup.
I see no path forward in that regard. So, it will be entertaining enough but it will never, ever, be more than entertainment.
Mileage will vary if that is a good thing or not. Personally, I have no issue with it. Not everything must be zeitgeist, cultural touchstone, bullshit to be enjoyable.
It was. Unfortunately it got bogged down with canonistas complaining about "why didn't Voyager just use it to get home?" or other such conversations, instead of just accepting it on its own merits. Which is what happens when you try to innovate but are still stuck in the past.
Like we've had updated TOS stuff. In Ent. It looked fine. Then in the movies. A bit too big in places, and the ship design for the Big E and Vengeance still come out of nowhere, compared to the more hoo-hum designs of Kelvin and Newton and etc.
Turn the consoles to actual computer screens. Add some texture. Maybe flatten a bit of the tech. Small details to flesh it out. The Enterprise looked advanced in Ent, because it bloody well was, but it's still a light Cruiser by the TNG era, or around a frigate or less! by the 3000s. It's a small ship but got the job done.
Dunno why DIS threw it all out. Especially for a uniform that fits the 2200s, if that, than the 2250s, and ship designs, or rather, detailing, that doesn't fit really anywhere....
Re: Bajoran Influence: Bajor was a major interstellar power once and they're ancient. More ancient than the Vulcans. I can easily see them, with the wormhole, being the center of a new trans-quadrant Federation, especially if Impulse is all you got.
Re: Uniforms: Getting a strong 09 Cadet vibe than anything else; the Bajoran stuff is there, but I thought 'Didn't I see Chris Pine in that?'
Ask Brian Fuller.
so far they've only shown two admirals in them. I wonder if those are just the dress uniforms.
The more things change...
The spore drive and the mycelial network is probably my favourite science fantasy concept in all of trek. Its weird and wonderful and harkened back to the balls to the wall high concept crazy ideas of TOS. 90's trek never had enough of that in my opinion.
The design of TOS is influenced heavily by the 60s and that just doesn't work on TV without being cheesy. The updated Enterprise took the core elements of the original design and just used the more modern technology seen on Discovery. Reality overtook the futurism of TOS, in some cases due to inspiration from TOS. It can't look exactly the same but you can pay it homage and I feel they did that.
I thought it might be the 3000th season of The Good Place
Pike & crew showing up on Discovery (not to mention the upcoming Strange New Worlds) show that the TOS aesthetic can be referred to and updated without looking cheesy. I'd argue that it could look better than the mostly fine job they did with Pike and the Enterprise on Discovery, but what they came up with is perfectly acceptable.
I'm not one who felt that, as a prequel, Discovery needed to adhere extremely closely to the TOS look, but I do think it should have and could have come far closer than it did without sacrificing believability to new audiences. It just would've taken effort and imagination -- both of which they were able to muster up reasonably well some months later when they gave us Pike.
In terms of canon: sometimes it's broken for logical reasons, such as allowing expansion of the universe, or to maintain relevance to modern audiences. It's when canon is broken needlessly out of either ignorance or laziness that the current keepers of the Star Trek kingdom do a disservice to fans both past and future. As a fan, it's painful to watch the decades-old tapestry get trampled upon for no good reason. As a person with a creative mind, it's aggravating to know it's possible to avoid that damage by making otherwise benign, alternate creative decisions.
There's a second one...? I've only seen one so far. Do you have a link to pics?
Pockets!!!
they’re clearly ignoring Gene’s vision.
Not if ones sees it through the booze and all night 'affairs' he preferred at times.they’re clearly ignoring Gene’s vision.
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