Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x04 - "Forget Me Not"

[picardjean-luc]

This is a really good point. If they had used Dax, I would've been happy with CGI versions of the hosts we knew as of DS9.
Basically non-interactive like most of what we saw. Similar to this 12 Doctors scene:

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Would've been wonderful to see Tobin, Emony, Curzon, Jadzia, Ezri, etc featured. And would've been cool to see Terry Farrell and Nicole de Boer replaying their characters, even if it's only for 30 seconds or less.

Speaking of which, does this episode put to rest rumors that

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Nicole de Boer was shooting a scene in Toronto with the ''Disco'' crew in Summer 2019, presumably starring as Ezri in a flashback scene?

 

[ananta]

Space Hitler or not, Georgiou is more fun than all the characters of Voyager and Enterprise put together. Michelle Yeoh is a scene-stealing delight, and I for one love the fact there’s an unpredictable wild card character like that. Who knows where they’re going with it, or what side she’ll ultimately end up on. The uncertainty is part of the fun.

 

[picardjean-luc]

I wonder if Tal was around in the 23rd century like Dax was? What if that host of Tal help in designing the spore drive of the Discovery and Gleen? What if the Tal host was dating the Dax host back then?

Memory Beta describes a host designated as ''Captain Tal'' who is wearing a mid-to-late 23rd century Starfleet uniform, indicating he was alive at about the same time period as Curzon, Jadzia, and Ezri.

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Tal_(symbiont)

It'll be interesting if Adira would make another reference about this ''Captain Tal'' in future episodes, hence we would've known his role during the 23rd century Starfleet history.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

Space Hitler or not, Georgiou is more fun than all the characters of Voyager and Enterprise put together. Michelle Yeoh is a scene-stealing delight, and I for one love the fact there’s an unpredictable wild card character like that. Who knows where they’re going with it, or what side she’ll ultimately end up on. The uncertainty is part of the fun.

I love me some Georgiou, but "unpredictable" is not a word I would use to describe her. One can reasonably count on her in any situation to 1. kick ass 2. look out for Burnham 3. tease Burnham with lures to the Dark Side 4. quip 5. mock traditional Starfleet ideals/protocols 6. when given an order to either do the opposite or do it in such a passive-aggressive way that she might as well not have done it 7. reminisce about her good old Mirror Universe days.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Mirror-Georgiou is being true to the character profile of those who inhabit that universe. Those in power revel in it unabashedly. Reason doesn't apply. Restraint doesn't apply. She is who she is.

The problem isn't that she is not true to her character it's that a MU emperor is being allowed walk around the ship being true to her character as it makes the DIS crew look like a complete bunch of idiots.
I would have a lot less of a problem with her if she was in the brig but acted as a debate/ideas partner for Burnham or Saru a bit like the imprisoned Baltar

 

[captainkirk]

S02 Talos IV episode as well.

I forgot about that one. I'm not sure why so many fans declared that one a masterpiece as well.

And another thing I didn't like about Forget Me Not was the end where we see Adira having visions of Gray. Tilly already had a plot about seeing dead people and not telling anyone about it. Why do we have to retread that as well?

 

[Lord Garth]

The problem isn't that she is not true to her character it's that a MU emperor is being allowed walk around the ship being true to her character as it makes the DIS crew look like a complete bunch of idiots.
I would have a lot less of a problem with her if she was in the brig but acted as a debate/ideas partner for Burnham or Saru a bit like the imprisoned Baltar

I can see what you're saying, but it doesn't work here...

Technically she didn't do anything against Discovery and her crew or the United Federation of Planets. And they kept her identity a secret. Admiral Cornwell said, "You help us end the Klingon War and we'll give you your freedom." Cornwell cut a deal with her, and that was that. She's cooperated with everything that was asked of her. Smirky comments don't count.

There's no ground to hold her on. "But the stuff she did in the Mirror Universe!" The Federation operates under a court of law that requires evidence that will be acknowledged. Classified material that won't be acknowledged can't be admitted, and nothing can be charged without indisputable and admissible evidence.

So until Georgiou does something against Discovery, one can't throw her in the brig just because they don't like her.

Most of the crew don't even know she's from the Mirror Universe. Could Saru tell them? Sure. But he's operating under the grounds that he's still a Starfleet Officer following Starfleet orders, decisions, and rulings. However old they are now.

Plus, as someone else said in another thread, she's nominally on their side. Going against her doesn't help them in the situation they're in. Especially where they are. If not for her, Saru and Tilly would be dead.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

They could have written it any way they wanted, but it’s hard for me to see Culber pulling a phase pistol and blasting people. It would have been out of character for him, and as adamant as the Trill were about taking Tal, or.at least, not helping Adria, I don’t see how the mission would have worked out with just Hugh and no Burnham.

Easy. They turn them away, and you have red-robed Trill be the one to take them back to their shuttle, but instead he takes them to the cave. You just drop the two pike-wielders altogether. That's not a great scene on its own, but that's just how you could do it without altering anything else.

I didn't mind Burnham taking her down to the planet but the fact that she gets to go into some trill mindmeld to save Adira was just awful. Everything about the scene from the cheesy underwater look to the memory tentacles. Could of just had Adira go in and give us the lovely flashback and done without any of the impending doom.

I don't think Burnham was a bad choice to accompany Adira, but I do think other combinations would have made more sense. Yes, Culber. However, it was also a diplomatic situation. There was every reason for Saru to join Adira as well. Burnham could offer a lot of empathy, but I don't think as much as Culber, and Saru adds both legitimacy and muscle. Moreover, Saru could offer support as well because he has recently (in the context of his liftime) underwent a surprising biological and psychological change. Conversely, Burnham could have remained on Discovery to uncover the morale situation along with the crew. Arguably, her first turn at being first officer was not entirely successful, and she has as much to learn about leadership as Saru.

 

[jackoverfull]

Memory Beta describes a host designated as ''Captain Tal'' who is wearing a mid-to-late 23rd century Starfleet uniform, indicating he was alive at about the same time period as Curzon, Jadzia, and Ezri.

that would be 24th century. Mid-to-late 23rd century would be the monster maroon.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

that would be 24th century. Mid-to-late 23rd century would be the monster maroon.

Weren't there still 23rd century ships still in operation in the 24th century?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Would've been wonderful to see Tobin, Emony, Curzon, Jadzia, Ezri, etc featured. And would've been cool to see Terry Farrell and Nicole de Boer replaying their characters, even if it's only for 30 seconds or less.

Speaking of which, does this episode put to rest rumors that

Spoiler

Nicole de Boer is shooting a scene in Toronto with the ''Disco'' crew in Summer 2019, presumably starring as Ezri in a flashback scene?

I hadn't even heard that rumor.

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Unless one squid knew the other squid

 

[IMC Headquarters]

So Saru's race is named after the food they eat? Kelp=Kelpian?

If I follow suit, then I am a Pizzan. Or Saladonian.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

So Saru's race is named after the food they eat? Kelp=Kelpian?

If I follow suit, then I am a Pizzan. Or Saladonian.

It's also what they cultivate, their means of sustaining themselves, so it might be like calling them farmers or fishermen, or more offensively, "coolies."

ETA: Boers would be the best comparison, where the Dutch-speaking population of South Africa uses the Dutch word for farmer to refer to themselves.

 

[1001001]

That was one of my favorites of the series.

Fascinating look into Trill society, and the effects of the Burn.

Teared up twice during that episode...

And Ronnie being the Trill Queen was icing on the cake.



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[jackoverfull]

Weren't there still 23rd century ships still in operation in the 24th century?

yes, up at least to the 2370s. But uniforms changed over time and this one was in use from not earlier than 2385.

 

[fireproof78]

Dukat is a great one to bring up and Damar too. Both went over and back between sides and both done evil things but you could see that they believed they were good and doing the right thing and when they were being or pretending to be good they at least attempted to play the game.

Georgiou is just panto evil for no reason and shows no remorse or nuance while also joking all the time about eating the captain

She is evil because that is her culture, that is what she grew up with. It's not for "no reason." Dukat and Kor are good examples, as both are demonstrated to have done horrible things against people that the Federation knows and has power to do something about, including Kor torturing Starfleet officers. Yet, none of that precludes Kor becoming an ally.

Georgiou believed she was doing the right thing to maintain her power, and viewed alternatives as weakness. She is now given the opportunity to learn a better way, something she didn't have in the MU.

There is no reason to like her as a character, but her presence makes sense from what has been established in the story and universe.

 

[JD]

I really enjoyed this this episode.
Revisiting the Trill was cool, and the stuff with Burnham and Adira in the pool was a nice way to show us some of her/their backstory. I'm curious when they are going to drop the female pronouns and start referring to them as non-binary. Oh, and I read an interview with Blu del Barrio, who plays Adira on StarTrek.com, and they addressed why they are referring to the character as female, after they announced that they would be non-binary. del Barrio said that they had not actually revealed that they were non-binary when they started their episodes, and did not feel comfortable having their character referred to that way.
It was nice to see them address the issues that Disco crew has developed after everything they had been through. I was relived Detmer's behavior was apparently just PTSD, more or less, and not something more ominous.

 

[RAMA]

Discovery is #2 Worldwide today on Netflix.

 

[NCC-73515]

An earlier uniform might have been better, but it’s not that much of a stretch and obviously from the production point of view that was good enough, especially as they had the uniform already available.

Imagine seeing an ENT-TNG uniform there, that would've been cool

Space Hitler or not, Georgiou is more fun than all the characters of Voyager and Enterprise put together. Michelle Yeoh is a scene-stealing delight, and I for one love the fact there’s an unpredictable wild card character like that. Who knows where they’re going with it, or what side she’ll ultimately end up on. The uncertainty is part of the fun.

She's the exact opposite for me

And another thing I didn't like about Forget Me Not was the end where we see Adira having visions of Gray. Tilly already had a plot about seeing dead people and not telling anyone about it. Why do we have to retread that as well?

One was a Ja'Sepp, the other is a host ghost.

 

[yenny]

Memory Beta describes a host designated as ''Captain Tal'' who is wearing a mid-to-late 23rd century Starfleet uniform, indicating he was alive at about the same time period as Curzon, Jadzia, and Ezri.

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Tal_(symbiont)

It'll be interesting if Adira would make another reference about this ''Captain Tal'' in future episodes, hence we would've known his role during the 23rd century Starfleet history.

Captain Tal was wearing mid-late 24th century uniform. He might have knowledge on the Crossfield class starships and probably help in upgrading the Discovery systems. That is Adira is helping with the upgrades.