Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x04 - "Forget Me Not"

[daedalus5]

Lovely to be back on Trill and see the ponds. I would’ve exploded with delight if the host was Dax..... hope they bring it back.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Truly a trilling episode

 

[Stewie77]

This episode is, by far, the best episode of Star Trek I've seen to date. It may be because I just finished it, but it truly was wonderful. Tthe emotional honesty and trust on display is exactly the kind of aspirational content that we need right now!

It was the most touching and beautiful episode of Star Trek I've seen In a while. It reminds me of why I have always loved it so much. I think I had tears all the way through the last episode of Picard too

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

It was nice to see some movement on the crew and their problems but I don't get how anyone is calling this the best episode of Trek or Dis or even this season

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

The thing that doesn't make georgiou space hitler for me is that she is the product of a culture that is inherently brutal. I don't think she can be blamed for what it made her become.

But we've seen Georgiou make choices for the greater good in staying with discovery. She could very easily have stayed in the 23rd century and tried to rebuild her power base. Also we've seen georgiou accept Saru's authority which is huge given she used to view his people as nothing more than cattle. Georgiou is subtly changing and growing and i think she deserves a shot at redemption.

Big difference between being a product of culture and actually being the emperor of it. That's the big problem she wasn't Smiley or Sisko she was the bloody emperor.

 

[Tosk]

They could have written it any way they wanted, but it’s hard for me to see Culber pulling a phase pistol and blasting people. It would have been out of character for him, and as adamant as the Trill were about taking Tal, or.at least, not helping Adria, I don’t see how the mission would have worked out with just Hugh and no Burnham.

Easy. They turn them away, and you have red-robed Trill be the one to take them back to their shuttle, but instead he takes them to the cave. You just drop the two pike-wielders altogether. That's not a great scene on its own, but that's just how you could do it without altering anything else.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Big difference between being a product of culture and actually being the emperor of it. That's the big problem she wasn't Smiley or Sisko she was the bloody emperor.

No there isnt any difference. Georgiou is the result of her culture, she didn't create it. You can't blame her for embracing that culture when she was born into it and indoctrinated. Maybe if georgiou had been born slave she would view things differently, just like smiley and sisko would if they had been born into georgious privilege.

 

[captainkirk]

It was a good episode, but I wouldn't say it was the best one in the series. Personally, I was dismayed that we got another going-into-someone's-memories episode. We had that in the first season with Lethe and it's such an overused plot in sci-fi. I know it's better than an exposition dump, but I'm just tired of it.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Easy. They turn them away, and you have red-robed Trill be the one to take them back to their shuttle, but instead he takes them to the cave. You just drop the two pike-wielders altogether. That's not a great scene on its own, but that's just how you could do it without altering anything else.

I didn't mind Burnham taking her down to the planet but the fact that she gets to go into some trill mindmeld to save Adira was just awful. Everything about the scene from the cheesy underwater look to the memory tentacles. Could of just had Adira go in and give us the lovely flashback and done without any of the impending doom.

Worst of all the whole look of the final scene with the trill lined up reminded me of Riverdance

 

[Tirius]

Just a thought: how long do Trill hosts live?! I think Tal had six hosts and that clearly covers some 900 years, as one of them was in late 2380s uniform (the one familiar with that era’s technology, I guess)!

We don't know much about this from just canon. Curzon Dax is the only Trill we could perhaps say died of old age, but we have no idea on how old he was at the time, just that he was over 100 years old. The novelverse doesn't have him as much older than that either. My guess is Trill were thought to have a similar lifespan as humans.

That probably means the Tal symbiont must have not been joined for quite a bit of time in between some hosts. The novels established that symbionts can be called back to Trill to return to the pools in times of need, either their own or the needs of the species as a whole. So unless the Picard era uniform was reused at a later date, cutting the 900-year period, Tal can't have been joined for the entire time since then.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Yes, because we definitely judge integrity by whether someone uses the word 'fuck' as opposed to being willing to admit she made a mistake and act swiftly to correct it.

He has a gentle vibe I find appealing.

 

[jackoverfull]

So unless the Picard era uniform was reused at a later date, cutting the 900-year period, Tal can't have been joined for the entire time since then

i think that uniform was put there specifically to justify Tal knowing so much about 23rd century tech. An earlier uniform might have been better, but it’s not that much of a stretch and obviously from the production point of view that was good enough, especially as they had the uniform already available.

The waiting between hosts is definitely a possibility, but so is that Trill can live 2/300 years. We just don’t know (the novels are not canon).

 

[EmoBorg]

The scene in which we got to see the previous Trill hosts, only Admiral Senna was old. The rest were young. Does that mean these previous hosts died young like Gray ?

 

[eschaton]

No there isnt any difference. Georgiou is the result of her culture, she didn't create it. You can't blame her for embracing that culture when she was born into it and indoctrinated. Maybe if georgiou had been born slave she would view things differently, just like smiley and sisko would if they had been born into georgious privilege.

Under the same logic, Gul Dukat is the product of his culture, and Hitler is a product of his culture.

 

[Crazyewok]

Under the same logic, Gul Dukat is the product of his culture, and Hitler is a product of his culture.

Actually Germany and Austria were pretty liberals post WW1.

As for Gul Dukat. I think he was a douche bag even by spoon head standards.

 

[O'Dib]

It was a good episode, but I wouldn't say it was the best one in the series. Personally, I was dismayed that we got another going-into-someone's-memories episode. We had that in the first season with Lethe and it's such an overused plot in sci-fi. I know it's better than an exposition dump, but I'm just tired of it.

S02 Talos IV episode as well.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Under the same logic, Gul Dukat is the product of his culture, and Hitler is a product of his culture.

Dukat is a great one to bring up and Damar too. Both went over and back between sides and both done evil things but you could see that they believed they were good and doing the right thing and when they were being or pretending to be good they at least attempted to play the game.

Georgiou is just panto evil for no reason and shows no remorse or nuance while also joking all the time about eating the captain

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Mirror-Georgiou is being true to the character profile of those who inhabit that universe. Those in power revel in it unabashedly. Reason doesn't apply. Restraint doesn't apply. She is who she is.

I am hoping against hope we have time devoted to exploring Captain Saru's own grief at having been saddled with this version of Phillipa, because his beloved mentor gave him new life, and new civilizations, to coin a phrase. His heart must be breaking all the time.

She reminds me strongly of Seska. I know she's trouble, but I can't look away!

 

[yenny]

I wonder if Tal was around in the 23rd century like Dax was? What if that host of Tal help in designing the spore drive of the Discovery and Gleen? What if the Tal host was dating the Dax host back then?

 

[DEWLine]

I think this marked the first time a Starfleet crew has not once, but twice referred to their ship as a "monster." I felt like that was an odd choice since Discovery has never been depicted as especially large. I know it's super nitpicky but Detmer using it and then Owosekun using it again a few minutes later sort of brought me out of an otherwise well written scene.

So. You noticed it too.

Discovery is particularly large to my eyes, but the word "monster" being applied to the ship by anyone on the senior staff was new to me. Is this a side effect of their stress issues, or some undercurrent of their thinking that was there all along?